Meister Eckhart vs. Drogo

Another day, another mystic, as the great thinker Meister (please don’t call me ‘Mister’) Eckhart faces off against Drogo, 12th century saintly soul and patron saint of coffee. WARNING: Don’t even try to make your choice without first drinking a hot, steaming cup of coffee — as long as this action will in no way ultimately influence your vote.

Yesterday in a tight, emotionally-charged contest, amid heavy voting, Julian of Norwich prevailed over William Wilberforce 52% to 48%. Julian will face the winner of Roch vs. Gertrude in the next round.

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Meister Eckhart

Meister_Eckhart_(Skulptur)_2012

Eckhart von Hochheim, commonly known as Meister Eckhart, is one of the greatest mystics of the Christian tradition. After his initial schooling, he alternated between the universities at Cologne and Paris, first as a student and later as a professor. Born in Germany around 1260, Meister Eckhart joined the Dominican Order of Preachers as a young man. He returned to Strasbourg in 1314, but his popularity soon began to draw the wrong kind of attention.

Encouraged by the Archbishop of Cologne, the head of the Dominican Order in the German region investigated the soundness of Eckhart’s doctrine and cleared him of heresy. Unsatisfied with these findings, the archbishop ordered a more formal and comprehensive review. In February, 1327, despite Eckhart’s public declarations of innocence, he was called before the Inquisitors, who declared him a heretic.

Eckhart appealed his conviction to the Holy See. Accompanied by his Dominican superiors, Eckhart traveled to Avignon and submitted himself to
the judgment of Pope John XXII. Following the usual procedure, the appointed examiners did not receive complete texts of the writings to be judged, only suspicious lines taken out of context. On March 27, 1329, the papal commission upheld the conviction from Cologne, but by that time Eckhart had died, insisting to the end that he was faithful to the teachings of the Church.

Eckhart was a subtle and creative thinker. His Latin commentaries, produced for advanced Dominican students, demonstrate his mastery of the technical categories of the Scholastic philosophy. His German sermons were engaging and poetic, filled with puns and wordplay, drawing heavily on the vocabulary of courtly love, adapting it to speak of the birth of the Word in the soul.

After centuries of neglect, Meister Eckhart’s teachings experienced a revival at the end of the nineteenth century. Similarities between his thought and the mystical traditions of Asia have made him a fruitful resource for modern interreligious dialogue.

Collect for Meister Eckhart
O God, create in us hearts reconstructed by your simple goodness. Thank you for the life of your servant Meister Eckhart, who, for the love of you, put his life and honor at the feet of power to speak plainly of your abundance. Grant that we too might be awed by your marvelous depth of creativity and mystery, for Jesus’ sake. Amen.

— Derek Olsen

Drogo

Drogo Sint_Druon

Near the beginning of the twelfth century, Drogo was born into a family of Flemish nobility—but his path began to change immediately. Drogo’s father died prior to his birth, and his mother died because of complications in childbirth. The newborn orphan was given over to the care of family members. When he was ten-years-old, Drogo, a sensitive child, was devastated to learn the cause of his mother’s death and held himself personally responsible for it.

Reaching adulthood, Drogo renounced the wealth and ease that was his birthright and became a shepherd in the Flemish countryside. During his time in the pastures, Drogo developed a reputation for holy living and for the spiritual gift of bilocation. Tradition holds that Drogo would be observed in
the fields praying while watching his flocks and simultaneously attending worship in the village.

After a time, perhaps still seeking to assuage the guilt he felt for his mother’s untimely death, Drogo felt called to head out on pilgrimage. Drogo traveled to Rome in order to encounter the holy places and relics there. Over the course of nine years, he traveled to Rome and back nine times.

These pilgrimages came to an end when Drogo was afflicted by an unknown malady, which caused him disfigurement and estrangement from his community. In order to protect the residents of the village where he lived from his appearance, Drogo took up a hermit’s life. He took up residence in a cell adjacent to the local parish church and lived there for the rest of his life. Stories say that when a fire engulfed his cell, Drogo refused to leave and was discovered praying among the ashes.

Lately discovered by popular culture, Drogo of Sebourg is the subject of countless listicles, thanks to his identification as the patron saint of coffeehouses and baristas. Drogo died on April 16, 1186, and was buried in the parish church in which he had spent the majority of his life. For obvious reasons, Drogo is the patron of unattractive and repulsive people. It is less clear why he has long been associated with coffee—so we will pour another cup and ponder this connection.

Collect for Drogo
God of unsearchable wisdom, you hear us praying even among the ashes of our lives. Thank you for the example of your servant Drogo, who lived a life of deep prayer despite profound suffering, who walked holy roads and prayed for worldly souls. Grant us the grace to seek your face in all things and in all places. We ask this for the love of your son, Jesus. Amen.

— David Hansen

Meister Eckhart vs. Drogo

  • Meister Eckhart (55%, 4,033 Votes)
  • Drogo (45%, 3,274 Votes)

Total Voters: 7,307

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Meister Eckhart: Meister Eckhart, Skulptur in Bad
Wörishofen, Kneippstraße. Image by Lothar Spurzem
(Own work) [CC BY-SA 2.0 de (http://creativecommons.
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Drogo: By Unknown, 18th-century drawing [Public
domain], via Wikimedia Commons

288 Comments to "Meister Eckhart vs. Drogo"

  1. Oliver--eight years old's Gravatar Oliver--eight years old
    February 16, 2016 - 8:02 am | Permalink

    I voted for Drogo because he lost his parents.

    • Elaine's Gravatar Elaine
      February 16, 2016 - 8:56 am | Permalink

      That is reason enough, Oliver.

    • SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
      February 16, 2016 - 8:58 am | Permalink

      I know! So sad!

    • February 16, 2016 - 9:01 am | Permalink

      Excellent judgment, Oliver. Personally, I voted for him because I drink about six cups of coffee a day, but whatever floats your boat!

      • Diane Amison-Loring's Gravatar Diane Amison-Loring
        February 16, 2016 - 9:06 am | Permalink

        A better reason would be the bilocation thing. That would be an awesome skill to have. They don’t teach that in the seminaries anymore, alas. I did study it in the convent, though.

        • Patty's Gravatar Patty
          February 16, 2016 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

          Diane, I think I knew you as Sr. MV! I was a postulant many years ago . . .

    • Laura's Gravatar Laura
      February 16, 2016 - 9:49 am | Permalink

      Oliver, did you fill out a bracket?

      • Oliver _8 years old's Gravatar Oliver _8 years old
        February 16, 2016 - 7:04 pm | Permalink

        Not yet.

    • Hilda Knowles's Gravatar Hilda Knowles
      February 16, 2016 - 10:07 am | Permalink

      I’m 75 and I voted for the same reason, Oliver.

    • Rhonda's Gravatar Rhonda
      February 16, 2016 - 12:02 pm | Permalink

      I voted for Drog.
      Bilocation beats out, ‘ but I can explain’ .

      • Kelly's Gravatar Kelly
        February 16, 2016 - 5:01 pm | Permalink

        Where’s a “like” button when you need it?

    • Rhonda's Gravatar Rhonda
      February 16, 2016 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

      I voted for Drogo.
      Bilocation beats out, ‘ but I can explain’ .

      • Slugger's Gravatar Slugger
        February 17, 2016 - 12:53 am | Permalink

        Whoa! Did Rhonda just bilocate?

    • Andrea's Gravatar Andrea
      February 16, 2016 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

      Me too Oliver.

    • Lea's Gravatar Lea
      February 16, 2016 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

      I voted for him because he lost his parents and because he had such humility. Hiding himself away so he wouldn’t upset others over his disfigurement is sweetly sad. I would have liked to have known him.

    • Patty's Gravatar Patty
      February 16, 2016 - 7:57 pm | Permalink

      I did, too, Oliver.

    • edward's Gravatar edward
      February 17, 2016 - 7:47 am | Permalink

      same exact thoughts dude

  2. Judy Hoover's Gravatar Judy Hoover
    February 16, 2016 - 8:11 am | Permalink

    Perhaps Drogo will grow on me but Meister Eckhart has been a friend for so many years, I have to vote for him. I guess I will go and make a cup of coffee.

  3. JayWard's Gravatar JayWard
    February 16, 2016 - 8:14 am | Permalink

    Drogo got a bum rap in Rocky III. He gets my vote here.

    • Scott's Gravatar Scott
      February 16, 2016 - 10:08 am | Permalink

      I was disappointed a Rocky reference did not appear within the hallowed confines of the above commentary. Delighted it made it into early comments. Well done, Sir.

      • Diane Amison-Loring's Gravatar Diane Amison-Loring
        February 16, 2016 - 10:34 am | Permalink

        The fun things happen in the next round. The first rounds are more factual and serious than the later ones. That is probably why the Rocky reference didn’t appear in the commentary. Should Drogo go on, I’m sure the Rocky reference will be made.

      • johnieb's Gravatar johnieb
        February 16, 2016 - 11:33 am | Permalink

        What have flying squirrels to do with this?

        • Diane Amison-Loring's Gravatar Diane Amison-Loring
          February 16, 2016 - 1:59 pm | Permalink

          or Bulwinkle?

    • Simon's Gravatar Simon
      February 16, 2016 - 3:19 pm | Permalink

      I thought it was Ivan DrAgo, and he was in Rocky IV.

  4. Nina Keane's Gravatar Nina Keane
    February 16, 2016 - 8:14 am | Permalink

    Google Meister Eckhart and read his wisdom!
    “If the only prayer you said was thank you, that would be enough.”. .”Truly, it is in darkness that one finds the light, so when we are in sorrow, then this light is nearest of all to us.”

    • Deb's Gravatar Deb
      February 16, 2016 - 8:29 am | Permalink

      Thank you. I wondered what the heresy was about and why they didn’t tell us.

      • Mthr Jo Kershaw's Gravatar Mthr Jo Kershaw
        February 16, 2016 - 10:05 am | Permalink

        Most of it was quite technical: whether Eckhart had said that the soul could become so totally one with God as to lose its existence and ‘become’ God’ in the strongest possible sense. This is not a fair account of Eckhart’s thought, but it’s easy to see why a court might think that was what he was saying on the basis of sentences wrenched out of their context. Eckhart was a bit of a victim of the fact that he did a lot of his theology in the form of sermons, rather than writing propositional systematics, which are much less easy to understand. They’re also much duller to read…

        Of course, there’s also some evidence that a lot of the problem was down to the Archbishop of Cologne’s jealousy of the Dominicans and their hotshot academic/ preacher…

        • Karen's Gravatar Karen
          February 16, 2016 - 11:04 am | Permalink

          Thank you for the insight Mthr Jo Kershaw. I voted for Meister Eckhart. I also love the collect written by Derek Olsen.

        • Kim Morse's Gravatar Kim Morse
          February 16, 2016 - 1:53 pm | Permalink

          The gnarled and gnarly fingers of church politics were all around poor Eckhart’s fate. His insistence of his innocence and his faith despite the fact that there was no way he could win give the way power played were reasons enough to vote for him.

          • Simon's Gravatar Simon
            February 16, 2016 - 3:21 pm | Permalink

            My thoughts as well, Kim!

          • Janet Birckhead's Gravatar Janet Birckhead
            February 16, 2016 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

            Kim, Drogo’s bilocation was a strong argument in his favor, but I voted for
            Meister Eckhart for just the reason you cited. Clearly, since he was later
            declared a saint, it is obvious that he was no heretic. I suspect that Mother
            Jo is right that the archbishop’s jealousy was a major reason he was accused.
            All the best to both of today’s saints!

        • Gail Adams's Gravatar Gail Adams
          February 17, 2016 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

          Now I am going to have to vote for Meistersinger Eckhart, after learning of his view of the soul.

      • Virginia Graves's Gravatar Virginia Graves
        February 16, 2016 - 4:17 pm | Permalink

        I was wondering that as well.

    • Karen's Gravatar Karen
      February 16, 2016 - 11:00 am | Permalink

      Quite beautiful! Thank you.

    • Adrienne in Oklahoma's Gravatar Adrienne in Oklahoma
      February 16, 2016 - 1:16 pm | Permalink

      Yes! Thanks for the quotes and explanation. I love knowing what these teachers really taught and died for. I’m have a soft spot for academics, and for martyrs…so Eckhart has my vote.

    • Janet Birckhead's Gravatar Janet Birckhead
      February 16, 2016 - 3:23 pm | Permalink

      Nina, I love the quotes. Thank you for supplying them!

    • Elinor's Gravatar Elinor
      February 16, 2016 - 3:40 pm | Permalink

      Great comment and just why I ores for him
      Right to the heart of faith
      Light over darkness

  5. Harry Alford's Gravatar Harry Alford
    February 16, 2016 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    Drogo. He had me at “coffee”.

    • June's Gravatar June
      February 16, 2016 - 9:16 am | Permalink

      Drogo had me at patron saint of coffee – bilocation and disfigurement and angst only sealed my choice.

    • Andrea's Gravatar Andrea
      February 16, 2016 - 2:59 pm | Permalink

      Yeah and bilocation. Gotta love that.

    • Barbara Gay's Gravatar Barbara Gay
      February 16, 2016 - 8:55 pm | Permalink

      yes, bilocation and coffee. Ideally to be able to be in a coffee house and at the office at one and the same time. I can pray can’t I?

  6. Anna's Gravatar Anna
    February 16, 2016 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    Seriously? Not biased by coffee? There is no possibility of this. Drogo for the win. i will raise a cup of Joe to Dro.

  7. Linda Baker's Gravatar Linda Baker
    February 16, 2016 - 8:19 am | Permalink

    Praying among the ashes…good read over my morning joe. My heart wrenched at the thought of his looks and how he must have been treated, through it all he remained faithful.

  8. C H Shepard's Gravatar C H Shepard
    February 16, 2016 - 8:19 am | Permalink

    I can’t find how to vote. It doesn’t appear at the end, as it usually does.

    • February 16, 2016 - 8:22 am | Permalink

      You must go to the website itself. Can’t vote from your phone.

      • Susie's Gravatar Susie
        February 16, 2016 - 8:26 am | Permalink

        Had to vote through comment.

        • Verdery's Gravatar Verdery
          February 16, 2016 - 11:40 am | Permalink

          Me, too. But at least I got here.
          While I’m commenting on your comment–I went for Meister Eckhart, mainly for the idea that thankfulness brings us close to God.
          But I’m glad so many are supporting Drogo, not only for his life and being patron of coffee, but because he lent his name to the father of Frodo Baggins.

          • Mollie Douglas Turner's Gravatar Mollie Douglas Turner
            February 16, 2016 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

            Oh, I KNEW I’d seen that name before, though the Saint was new to me. As a coffee fiend, I had a moment of tremulous unease, but Meister Eckhart has given me come-hither looks and gestures for years. My prayer life often boils down to “help,” “thanks,” and “oops.” I suspect Eckhart said the others, too.

            I hate spelling suggestions! This stupid thing wanted to make Eckhart either a Meistersinger or just plain Moister! Argh!!!

      • Deb's Gravatar Deb
        February 16, 2016 - 8:30 am | Permalink

        I vote from my phone all the time.

        • linda's Gravatar linda
          February 16, 2016 - 8:36 am | Permalink

          so do I….but not today.

        • Judy Batson's Gravatar Judy Batson
          February 16, 2016 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

          Me too, but I’m on the website when I do so. 🙂

          • Mary Lou Hauser's Gravatar Mary Lou Hauser
            February 16, 2016 - 7:48 pm | Permalink

            Me too!

          • Emmy's Gravatar Emmy
            February 16, 2016 - 11:21 pm | Permalink

            Usually vote in the AM from the tablet; didn’t work this morning, and I couldn’t even vote from my desktop this evening, either. Finally succeeded via the website with a vote for Meister Eckhardt, despite the caffeinated call of Drogo.

      • JE Kaufman's Gravatar JE Kaufman
        February 16, 2016 - 8:51 am | Permalink

        Yes — the email was in a different form from usual — there is no link that says “read more.” I had to get here through “more comments” as well.

        • Anna's Gravatar Anna
          February 16, 2016 - 8:54 am | Permalink

          Yes, the email and phone views were different today as usual. Usually at the end of the email it says “Read more” and has a button and you vote there. Not on today’s email though…..

      • Mary M's Gravatar Mary M
        February 16, 2016 - 9:08 am | Permalink

        Until today, I have been able to vote from my phone. The vote button would come up right after the second saint’s blog. Comments would not appear until after casting vote. However, today a code in brackets appeared between the blog and comments.

      • Bet's Gravatar Bet
        February 16, 2016 - 9:26 am | Permalink

        Can vote from your phone, but just can’t do it from within the email. Have to visit the post on the website via your phone’s browser.

      • Randall's Gravatar Randall
        February 16, 2016 - 9:45 am | Permalink

        Dear pilgrims, the wisdom of the S.E.C. is without blemish!

      • Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
        February 16, 2016 - 10:12 am | Permalink

        But I did vote from my phone. An iPhone of course, but a phone all the same. Perhaps because I was sipping coffee from my LentMadness mug at the same time?

      • February 16, 2016 - 10:28 am | Permalink

        I vote on my iPhone. Is that wrong?!

        • February 16, 2016 - 11:45 am | Permalink

          You can vote on your phone, a tablet, a desktop, or whatever. The key is that you have to visit http://www.lentmadness.org. Leaving a comment, sending a carrier pigeon, or telling your next door neighbor is lovely, but none of those will be an actual counted vote.

          You can also write your vote on a $20 bill and send it to the SEC, and they’ll see that your vote is counted. But other than that, you have to vote on http://www.lentmadness.org.

          • Nancy's Gravatar Nancy
            February 16, 2016 - 12:31 pm | Permalink

            Until Drogo goes all the way, in other words, voting is not bilocational…

          • Kathy in Nicaragua's Gravatar Kathy in Nicaragua
            February 16, 2016 - 4:00 pm | Permalink

            Isn’t that called simony? I’m just saying . . .

      • SallyDuernberger's Gravatar SallyDuernberger
        February 16, 2016 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

        I’ve been voting from my phone. Have my votes not counted?

      • Margaret's Gravatar Margaret
        February 16, 2016 - 1:47 pm | Permalink

        Yes you can vote from your phone. I just did. I am still somewhat stunned that Wilber Wilberforce did not win. He ended slavery in Great Britain and the colonies. I am a doer, not a contemplator.

      • Patsy's Gravatar Patsy
        February 16, 2016 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

        I can vote on my Android phone via Yahoo. No computer hookup while Snowbird ing.

    • Nancy's Gravatar Nancy
      February 16, 2016 - 11:37 am | Permalink

      Today’s e-mail reminder appears to have a formatting problem, with no “Vote” button provided. A simple workaround is to point your browser to http://www.lentmadness.org , then click “Read More” near the bottom of today’s post. Then you *will* find a “Vote” button.

    • The geek's Gravatar The geek
      February 16, 2016 - 9:29 pm | Permalink

      When you say you are voting from your phone what is happening is that you are reading Lent Madness sent to you thru email. When you click on Read more that is opening up a browser which goes to the web page where you will vote. Today Read more was not there – what you can do is click on the saints name at the top of the email, that will also take you to the web page. What is happening behind the scene technically is that the email is bilocating to the browser.

      • Emmy's Gravatar Emmy
        February 16, 2016 - 11:26 pm | Permalink

        Thank you, O Geek, not just for a concise explanation but for including today’s buzzword!

  9. Jean's Gravatar Jean
    February 16, 2016 - 8:20 am | Permalink

    Drogo is pretty cool and I’m always a fan of people lacking in physical beauty as well as those who hang out with sheep. However, for me people convicted by church councils of heresy are my hands down favorites. Also, voted for Meister Eckhart because of his significance in modern interfaith dialogue.

    • Jeanie Martinez-Jantz's Gravatar Jeanie Martinez-Jantz
      February 16, 2016 - 9:34 am | Permalink

      ME, too! Misjudged, misread–happens to me every time I write more than a one-sentence e-mail! Perhaps Meister Eckhart ought to be the patron saint of e-mail…

      I also voted for him because of his writing. He had a sense of humor… Drogo? not so sure… hanging out with sheep is a positive step, but he seemed too bent on self-torture.

      • Davis Dassori's Gravatar Davis Dassori
        February 16, 2016 - 11:03 am | Permalink

        See what your autocorrect does when you type “Meister.” Mine changed it to “Meistersinger ” — good thing I caught it.

  10. Shawn's Gravatar Shawn
    February 16, 2016 - 8:21 am | Permalink

    The spiritual gift of bilocation? What an awesome super power! My vote’s for Drogo.

  11. Amy Jane's Gravatar Amy Jane
    February 16, 2016 - 8:23 am | Permalink

    To be so misunderstood, and to be so conspired against! Most people would have gone into some attitude of ‘Whatever, it’s their loss.’ Not Meister E. A prophetic voice that speaks to us now, thank you for not giving up or giving in to those of your time.

  12. Nancy Moore's Gravatar Nancy Moore
    February 16, 2016 - 8:23 am | Permalink

    Prepared to vote for Meister Eckart but then…coffee. And patron saint of unattractive people. You didn’t even mention that he shares his name with a hobbit…Drogo it is.

    • Laura Peckham's Gravatar Laura Peckham
      February 16, 2016 - 9:46 am | Permalink

      The first thing I thought, Nancy, when I saw the name, “Hey, that’s a hobbit!”

  13. Jan Hamill's Gravatar Jan Hamill
    February 16, 2016 - 8:24 am | Permalink

    as Harry said.

  14. Ann's Gravatar Ann
    February 16, 2016 - 8:25 am | Permalink

    Good heavens, I must leap in to defend my Meister. He has long given me wisdom–and I vote for him since he had the courage to die for what his heart told him.

  15. pris's Gravatar pris
    February 16, 2016 - 8:26 am | Permalink

    Voted for Meister Enchant for those who are unjustly accused.

  16. Fiona's Gravatar Fiona
    February 16, 2016 - 8:26 am | Permalink

    The lovely priest and thinker John O’Donohue first drew my attention to the writings of Meister Eckhart. In remembrance of him, and for all those whose thinking and living puts them on the wrong side of the church authorities I cast my vote for Meister Eckhart.

  17. Harry Moncelle's Gravatar Harry Moncelle
    February 16, 2016 - 8:27 am | Permalink

    I’m with Harry, how can you not vote for a coffee lover.

  18. Michelle M's Gravatar Michelle M
    February 16, 2016 - 8:29 am | Permalink

    My first thoughts were Meister because of the Inquisition and being convicted of heresy. But then I read Drogo’s bio: an orphan who later develops a disease that makes him so unattractive that he becomes a hermit to spare the villagers his looks. Then there is the whole bilocation thing. How could I resist? I’m not a coffee drinker so that didn’t sway me at all.

  19. Karin Rosner's Gravatar Karin Rosner
    February 16, 2016 - 8:29 am | Permalink

    Game of Thrones. Khal Drogo, ill-starred husband of Daenerys Targaryen. There. Drogo has my vote this morning.

    • Jeaninejj's Gravatar Jeaninejj
      February 16, 2016 - 10:12 am | Permalink

      I knew I’d heard that name somewhere! That seals my vote for Meister, actually (I am surrounded by Throne-o-holics), as does his standing up to men who misappropriated power.

    • Tracey Henley's Gravatar Tracey Henley
      February 16, 2016 - 10:25 am | Permalink

      Yours is the first GOT reference in the comments. I expected more from this bunch, but there you go.

    • February 16, 2016 - 11:36 am | Permalink

      Dragons FTW

  20. Christie's Gravatar Christie
    February 16, 2016 - 8:30 am | Permalink

    I have to vote for Drogo. Coffee and unattractive / repulsive looking people? Sounds like my kinda guy.

    • Christine's Gravatar Christine
      February 16, 2016 - 8:43 am | Permalink

      Christie- took the words out of my mouth!

    • pHil's Gravatar pHil
      February 16, 2016 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

      Unattractive people unite! Vote for Drogo. We can still read our beloved Eckhart in our hermitages.

  21. Steven's Gravatar Steven
    February 16, 2016 - 8:31 am | Permalink

    The biographer tells us that the soundness of Eckhart’s doctrine was investigated but does not tell us what that doctrine was. If I had a better idea what the Meister was espousing it might influence my vote. Cool that he defended his ideas to the end, and was a good servant, submitting himself to the judgement of the Pope. But in the end it sounds like politics…the archbishop had some beef with him and just wouldn’t let it go.
    Drogo – cool name, orphaned, lots of angst and guilt. Big faith,gave up his wealth and potential power for the shepherd’s life. BILOCATION! Disfigurement, the hermit’s existence, many pilgrimages to Rome. All in all, a classic tortured soul – tssted by God from the very beginning of his life right up to the end of it. Have to go with Drogo. AND being the patron of repulsive people and baristas/coffee drinkers? Drogo may go ALL THE WAY!

    • Jen's Gravatar Jen
      February 16, 2016 - 8:52 am | Permalink

      I completely agree w/Steven. I read Meister Eckhart first and was left thinking “that wasn’t written very well if I have to search for the true reason behind the heresy.” So I sat there with my coffee and read though it again. Nope, I still didn’t fully understand the magic behind the Meister. So I move on to Drogo…and I only had to read it once. He had me at bilocation, and then came the bit about coffee. No question who the true matchup-meister is today for me.

  22. Joanne Parrott's Gravatar Joanne Parrott
    February 16, 2016 - 8:32 am | Permalink

    Drogo Lives!! Must have been the first speed-walker to & from Rome, perhaps he should also be the patron saint of cobblers as well as coffee.

  23. Michael Hartney's Gravatar Michael Hartney
    February 16, 2016 - 8:37 am | Permalink

    Drogo of Sebourg is the subject of countless listicles …
    Listicles? Before I looked up the word you had me wondering what a listicle could be. But now I know 10 reasons. 🙂

    • A Jennifer's Gravatar A Jennifer
      February 16, 2016 - 10:16 am | Permalink

      Heh. I had to look it up too.

  24. Betsy's Gravatar Betsy
    February 16, 2016 - 8:38 am | Permalink

    Drogo. Even though I had never heard of him before just now and Meister E is a well known figure quite worthy of his halo, I think it’s awesome that the unattractive of this world have a patron saint…and coffee, my goodness! Think of the kitch round. Let us not forget that dear Drogo also appears to be the patron saint of ADHD, since he seems to have been a master multitasker.

    • SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
      February 16, 2016 - 8:56 am | Permalink

      Good reasons, all!!

  25. February 16, 2016 - 8:39 am | Permalink

    Meister Eckart receives my vote because he had to deal with Pope John XXII (not be be confused in any way with saintly Pope John XXIII). Imagine, taking something out of context to prove your point. I’m glad such behavior is not evident today. I will, however, think fondly of Drogo as I sip my coffee this morning.

    • Bob Andrews-Bryant's Gravatar Bob Andrews-Bryant
      February 16, 2016 - 12:50 pm | Permalink

      Kind of like contemporary (American?) political candidates, one might say.

  26. Kelley the Presbygeek's Gravatar Kelley the Presbygeek
    February 16, 2016 - 8:40 am | Permalink

    I’m going to ponder this choice over a mug of hot tea.

    • Anne Burton's Gravatar Anne Burton
      February 16, 2016 - 9:04 am | Permalink

      Another tea drinker here, so coffee doesn’t do it for me. I’m not into tortured souls, but standing up to those accusing unjustly -that I can vote for. Meister Eckhardt!

  27. Trudy's Gravatar Trudy
    February 16, 2016 - 8:43 am | Permalink

    Coffee and prayer. Drogo, a shepherd, an orphan, disfigured, praying in the ashes….how could I not vote for this Saint? I raise my cup of Java to you, Drogo.

  28. Grace Cangialosi's Gravatar Grace Cangialosi
    February 16, 2016 - 8:44 am | Permalink

    “Listicles”???
    As a note, I’ve been voting from my phone, but sometimes, in order to get the voting buttons, you have to click the Comment button first.

  29. Jen E. Ochsner's Gravatar Jen E. Ochsner
    February 16, 2016 - 8:45 am | Permalink

    Drogo for those he represents!

  30. Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
    February 16, 2016 - 8:46 am | Permalink

    Not that I have a problem with authority or anything like that — but go Meister!

  31. Anne Margo's Gravatar Anne Margo
    February 16, 2016 - 8:46 am | Permalink

    What with the coffee and the sharing the same name as Frodo Baggins’ s father, I almost went with Drogo. But Meister Ekhart’ s story just grabbed me. So Meister Eckhart got my vote.

    • SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
      February 16, 2016 - 9:00 am | Permalink

      Thanks, Anne! My husband and I have been trying and trying to remember which hobbit was named Drogo!

      • Janice's Gravatar Janice
        February 16, 2016 - 10:01 am | Permalink

        He was Frodo’s father.

  32. Claire Ameele's Gravatar Claire Ameele
    February 16, 2016 - 8:49 am | Permalink

    Meister Eckhart gets my vote because he remained true to his convictions and actively defended his position. If he had backed off, his wisdom would likely have been lost.

  33. February 16, 2016 - 8:51 am | Permalink

    Drogo the underdog.

  34. Elizabeth E's Gravatar Elizabeth E
    February 16, 2016 - 8:51 am | Permalink

    Very glad to meet Drogo and shall remember him with my daily coffee and honor his faithfulness. However, I vote for my old friend Meister Eckhart who wrote: We are all mothers of God.

  35. St. Celia's Gravatar St. Celia
    February 16, 2016 - 8:53 am | Permalink

    Mysticism and poetry versus repulsive people? For me it was no contest. Drogo, priez pour moi, but I’m voting for Meister Eckhart. The mystics always win in my book. Speaking of books, I love the art for Eckhart above. I wondered whom he was reading with and what the book was. It is a lovely peaceful scene, perfect for a contemplative moment. (They only need a cup of coffee to complete the scene.) Mystics rule.

  36. Alan Christensen's Gravatar Alan Christensen
    February 16, 2016 - 8:59 am | Permalink

    I have an icon of Drogo on the cupboard where we keep our coffee, so I had to vote for him.

  37. Mary M's Gravatar Mary M
    February 16, 2016 - 9:00 am | Permalink

    Unable to cast vote due to some kind of glitch. I don’t feel there is enough info on the contents of Meister’s works for me to be swayed his direction. So, my vote would go for Drogo. To survive a fire by acts of faith and prayer proves Divine Intervention.

  38. Karen's Gravatar Karen
    February 16, 2016 - 9:00 am | Permalink

    Coffee and bilocation!

  39. Meredith Penfield's Gravatar Meredith Penfield
    February 16, 2016 - 9:00 am | Permalink

    Any article that contains the words “listicle” and “bilocation” deserves a vote for its subject.

  40. Jane Graham's Gravatar Jane Graham
    February 16, 2016 - 9:02 am | Permalink

    No vote button today, so my vote is for Eckhart

  41. Beth Ann's Gravatar Beth Ann
    February 16, 2016 - 9:03 am | Permalink

    I am so done with Lent Madness! How can a community, serious about being contemporary Christians, dismiss William Wilberforce in favor of a navel-gazing hermit? OK, so I am a sore loser, but it is time for me to release Lent Madness from my Lenten schedule and go spend more time loving my neighbor. Enjoy yourselves! Good-bye.

    • Peg S.'s Gravatar Peg S.
      February 16, 2016 - 9:54 am | Permalink

      Hey, Beth Ann, many people voted for William Wilberforce. It was a close vote. Many praised him in their comments. Lady Julian was a writer with windows on her immediate world and on worlds beyond, and touched many lives through the ages. Hope your soreness eases and maybe you give Lent Madness another try some time. Take care.

      • A Jennifer's Gravatar A Jennifer
        February 16, 2016 - 10:54 am | Permalink

        What Peg said. But also — though Julian was physically shut in, she did stay connected to community in a helping way. People came to her for counselling and prayers, and she was able to talk to them through a little window in her cell. She also, through her writings, deftly accomplished the miracle of communicating a more inclusive and forgiving God than was strictly being taught by the church of her time. Today’s Eckhart bio highlights the very real hazards she was navigating to do that – it’s not like they didn’t know where to find her if they wanted to chat about her gentle challenges to the prevailing magisterial wisdom.
        She was physically confined, but her spirit was free and in touch with God who sustained her, and who gave her a message to convey. As a woman she was not permitted to teach or preach…but she wrote. Different circumstances and different oppression than what Wilberforce worked to overcome, but still in the cause of freedom and God’s love for all (IMHO).

        • Lucy Porter's Gravatar Lucy Porter
          February 16, 2016 - 4:16 pm | Permalink

          Lady Julian did teach those who came to her for counsel. And, through her writings, she continues to bless us to this day with her wisdom and God’s revelations to her. She wasted no time navel-gazing! That term was devised by those who have no idea who mystics are and what they do!

  42. SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
    February 16, 2016 - 9:03 am | Permalink

    Hmmm, I see this as a contest between two mystics. Drogo lived in a cell, like our friend Julian, and stayed there till it burned down around him.

    • February 16, 2016 - 11:39 am | Permalink

      I agree – today is very much a mystic mashup. Good insight.

  43. Laura N.'s Gravatar Laura N.
    February 16, 2016 - 9:04 am | Permalink

    After reviewing today’s choices with my daughter, I asked her opinion. Her reply, “Like this one’s hard. pffffft! patron saint of baristas, of course!”

  44. SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
    February 16, 2016 - 9:06 am | Permalink

    Voting for that poor tortured soul, drinking my coffee, and praying for the spiritual gift of bilication. And it’s his feast day today! Go Drogo!

  45. Terressa Price Gangaware's Gravatar Terressa Price Gangaware
    February 16, 2016 - 9:18 am | Permalink

    Drogo is also the father of Frodo Baggins! Has my vote today!

    • Liz's Gravatar Liz
      February 16, 2016 - 10:19 am | Permalink

      LOL! I wish I’d seen your post before I voted for Meister Eckhart. It might have changed my mind.

  46. Paul Ambos's Gravatar Paul Ambos
    February 16, 2016 - 9:23 am | Permalink

    Clearly, carrying a bilocator to term is dangerous to one’s health. Teleporters would be much safer.

    • February 16, 2016 - 11:33 pm | Permalink

      Oh great, now you’ve got me thinking about the mechanics of how giving birth to a bilocating infant could cause maternal death. Thanks a lot. 😉

  47. Mary Hawes's Gravatar Mary Hawes
    February 16, 2016 - 9:28 am | Permalink

    How could I not vote for the patron saint of coffee shops!!!! Drogo it is. (Oh – and I like his ability to be in two places at once – I’d like that ‘gift’)

  48. Mike Fox's Gravatar Mike Fox
    February 16, 2016 - 9:29 am | Permalink

    I owe Meister Eckhart a great debt. I studied Zen for a number of years before returning to the Church (I still draw inspiration from it). Professor D. T. Suzuki wrote a book on Mysticism East and West, and the West was represented primarily by Eckhart. Rudolph Otto wrote a book with almost the same title, and there was Eckhart again. When I read Thomas Merton’s Mystics and Zen Masters, and yet again I found Eckhart, I knew I had to find out more about him. I read the some Sermons and a few of the more Scholastic writings. I was hooked. Most importantly, he showed me that the transcendence that I was seeking in Eastern religions could be found right here in the tradition that raised me. I went back to church – Unitarian, then Quaker, and finally Episcopalian – all the while seeking that Word inside me. I still am. I have many people to thank, but Meister Eckhart is near the top of the list.

    • Barbara S.'s Gravatar Barbara S.
      February 16, 2016 - 9:45 am | Permalink

      I identify a lot with this, Mike; I have a similar spiritual story. It wasn’t Meister Eckhart specifically, but the mystical tradition generally – and Evelyn Underhill, I guess, now that I think of it – that influenced me.

      But I do love Eckhart.

    • Ryan Whitley's Gravatar Ryan Whitley
      February 16, 2016 - 10:11 am | Permalink

      Ah, Mike, thanks for representing the serious side of this for pur church! I, of course, offered a less than serious response and voted for Drogo. Though, like you, I came across Eckhart early in my formation. I used to keep a journal of inspirational quotes by Christian thinkers (in high school, nonetheless!) and two of the earliest one in my journal were Eckhart and E.B. Pusey. That probably explains a lot about me, actually…

    • Alyn's Gravatar Alyn
      February 16, 2016 - 10:29 am | Permalink

      Well said, Mike – ! Love the story of Drogo, perhaps because i can certainly have a more empathetic understanding of the human experience of feeling unattractive,, lonely and misunderstood – as well as a love for coffee – but Meister Eckharts works help my soul open to the more transcendent and mystical heights that are possible- when feeling unattractive, lonely and misunderstood isn’t even a thought or consideration! When times are tough, the recalling of the glimmers of love, radience and inspiration are what I need.

    • anonymous's Gravatar anonymous
      February 16, 2016 - 11:46 pm | Permalink

      Wow~I was all set to vote for Drogo because of coffee. Your thoughtful comment made me rethink my choice, partially for the opportunity to learn more about him in later rounds. However, after a difficult night dealing with the mental illness of a family member, and upon learning that Drogo is also patron saint of the mentally ill, I’m going with him.

  49. Carol Buckalew's Gravatar Carol Buckalew
    February 16, 2016 - 9:30 am | Permalink

    “God of unsearchable wisdom, you hear us praying even among the ashes of our lives.”
    And coffee too? Plus I learned a new word today -listicle. And I do love my bulleted lists. Drogo for me.

  50. Joan's Gravatar Joan
    February 16, 2016 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    I must vote for Drago as I drink my coffee and make my to do list for the day!

  51. Jon C Newswanger's Gravatar Jon C Newswanger
    February 16, 2016 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    Did a college project on Meister Eckhart, so it’s surely got to be him. That said I love my coffee.

  52. February 16, 2016 - 9:36 am | Permalink

    My gratitude goes to Meister for wisdom/reminder to be thankful and when in darkness, look for the light!

  53. Barbara S.'s Gravatar Barbara S.
    February 16, 2016 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    I voted for Meister Eckhart, because I’ve always loved what he thought and wrote. But now I’m a bit sorry I didn’t vote for Drogo; I really love that collect.

    I guess this means I won’t be sorry, no matter who wins the round.

    (And I’m surprised to find that coffee doesn’t enter it at all, for me….)

  54. Carol Buckalew's Gravatar Carol Buckalew
    February 16, 2016 - 9:48 am | Permalink

    So, I Googled Meister Eckhart and found a listicle of some of his quotes. https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/73092.Meister_Eckhart
    I will be reading more about him.

    • Dawn's Gravatar Dawn
      February 16, 2016 - 11:25 am | Permalink

      Not knowing much about either one this morning, and not having had sufficient coffee to do my own research… I followed up on Carol’s link above. My vote for Meister Eckhart as many of those quotes spoke to me.

  55. February 16, 2016 - 9:49 am | Permalink

    Another tough one. I’m voting for Drogo in solidarity with young people who don’t fit in, who are afflicted by nameless guilt, who have no family, who cannot find their way to a conventional productive life, who undertake one journey after another yet never find what they are looking for, and who self-isolate out of what they perceive to be their own worthlessness and repulsiveness. I don’t know where the coffee association comes from, but I’m reaching out to Drogo as the patron of teens and young adults with mental illness and “failure to launch.”

    • Tessa's Gravatar Tessa
      February 16, 2016 - 10:08 am | Permalink

      Thank you, Gretchen. Well said!

    • Becky's Gravatar Becky
      February 16, 2016 - 11:32 am | Permalink

      Gretchen, you have convinced me for more reasons than I want to say here.

  56. Corey's Gravatar Corey
    February 16, 2016 - 9:56 am | Permalink

    How can I say no to coffee? Also, there’s something comedic I love about a saint so horrible to look at that he locked himself up to “protect” the townspeople.

  57. Joyce in Georgia's Gravatar Joyce in Georgia
    February 16, 2016 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    “Subtle and creative thinking” “sermons poetic… filled with word-play and puns…adapting vocabulary to speak of the birth of the Word in the soul” That’s where he caught me. What’s not to like? I’ve got to go with the Meister. Besides, I prefer chai latte to coffee.

  58. Christianne McKee's Gravatar Christianne McKee
    February 16, 2016 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    I was all set to vote for Eckhart, but I was touched deeply by the image of Drogo praying in the ashes, reminding me that God hears our prayers, even when we cry out from the ashes of death or despair, and raises us to new life.

  59. Carole L's Gravatar Carole L
    February 16, 2016 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    “Priez pour nous…” and coffee – Drogo for the win! “Priez pour nous” is a line from the Hail Mary in French, which we were taught the first week of French 1 in our all-girls Catholic High School. To this day, thanks to the nuns from elementary school, I ‘break out’ in the Hail Mary every time I hear an ambulance/fire engine’s siren – mais, en francais, bien sur. Savoring my first strong cup of joe of the day — aaah! Maybe the illustration of Drogo will, miraculously, appear in one of my favorite local coffeehouses 🙂

  60. Middle Earthling's Gravatar Middle Earthling
    February 16, 2016 - 10:00 am | Permalink

    I’m such a fan. Drogo lives! And his brother Frodo too!

    What are those torches and pitchforks about people?

  61. Emily Correll's Gravatar Emily Correll
    February 16, 2016 - 10:02 am | Permalink

    As a tea drinker I still had to go for Drogo. Is that where Tolkien got the name for Frodo’s father?

  62. andrea's Gravatar andrea
    February 16, 2016 - 10:04 am | Permalink

    Drogo. Coffee and bilocation.

  63. Cindy Jayne's Gravatar Cindy Jayne
    February 16, 2016 - 10:05 am | Permalink

    Okay, so I voted for Drogo. Not because he is the patron Saint of coffee, although, coffee keeps me sane and keeps me from wearing Prison Orange! But, Drogo was so selfless…. He renounced his birthright, became a shepard, traveled to Rome 9 (NINE) times as a poor shepard, then protected his community from his illness at his own cost of exclusivity…… God expects us all to be selfless (and drink coffee, I might add), and Drogo is an excellent example of this!

  64. Ryan Whitley's Gravatar Ryan Whitley
    February 16, 2016 - 10:07 am | Permalink

    As a parish priest, I have always wanted and needed to develop the spiritual gift of bilocation. Knowing now that Drogo should be my spiritual mentor for that, I have to vote for him!

  65. Tara Soughers's Gravatar Tara Soughers
    February 16, 2016 - 10:07 am | Permalink

    Meister Eckhart taught that the incarnation happened not just once, but continually. The Son of God was being born continually in our souls. When that happened, we became one with Christ- we became Christ and Christ became us. For this to happen, we had to undergo deep emptying of all attachments, hence the connections with Buddhist thought. The Church has always been suspicious of any mystic who claimed that spiritual union/spiritual erased (or seemingly erased) distinctions between the soul and the divine.

  66. February 16, 2016 - 10:07 am | Permalink

    Again we voted in sync, this time for Drogo, because he persevered in the midst of great suffering and rejection from his community. May we love well those who are rejected by the world, in the love of Christ, who loves each one perfectly

  67. Mary W.'s Gravatar Mary W.
    February 16, 2016 - 10:10 am | Permalink

    Wasn’t Drogo Frodo’s father? Or was he Danaeris’ husband? Anyhow, despite the cool name with great associations, it’s unclear from the writeup what Drogo did to help others besides somehow become the patron saint for coffee…and I’m a tea drinker. Meister Eckhart seems to be much more of an inspiration, as well as an early reformer (unintentionally), who suffered from flaws in the judicial system. I’m going with him.

  68. Claire's Gravatar Claire
    February 16, 2016 - 10:13 am | Permalink

    For having been twitted about my looks when I was in school (I don’t know why, since looking back at photos, I was a rather cute kids even if on the heavy side), and for wishing that I could be in two places at once…
    I vote for Drogo

    • Claire's Gravatar Claire
      February 16, 2016 - 10:13 am | Permalink

      Not a fan of coffee, though.

  69. John Baldwin's Gravatar John Baldwin
    February 16, 2016 - 10:13 am | Permalink

    My screen is not allowing me to vote today, but if I could I’d vote for Meister Eckert.

    • February 16, 2016 - 10:18 am | Permalink

      John, you need to get to the website to vote: http://www.lentmadness.org/2016/02/meister-eckhart-vs-drogo/

      • Kathy in Nicaragua's Gravatar Kathy in Nicaragua
        February 16, 2016 - 4:09 pm | Permalink

        Thank you for answering the same question a dozen times. Very patient of you.

        • February 16, 2016 - 4:29 pm | Permalink

          It’s why I get the “big bucks.”

          • Ann from Texas's Gravatar Ann from Texas
            February 16, 2016 - 6:56 pm | Permalink

            Perhaps the SEC could admit that the email format was different today?? There was no vote button as on previous days…

          • February 16, 2016 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

            There wasn’t a “read more” tag. It did take one extra step to cast a vote. But fear no. No one is trying to trick and/or disenfranchise anyone.

  70. Pat R's Gravatar Pat R
    February 16, 2016 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    Like others, I was struck by the irony………John XXII condemned Meister Eckhart because he caved in to the prejudice of others…..contrast that with his namesake, the great John XXIII, responsible for Vatican II and all the ensuing reforms that opened the Catholic Church to the world in the latter half of the 20th century.
    I’m also embarrassed to say that, when I first read Drogo’s name, the first thing that popped into my mind was Draco Malfoy, the not-so-nice guy from the Harry Potter stories. Forgive me Drago, and also because I voted for Eckhart…..

    • Anthony Lee's Gravatar Anthony Lee
      February 16, 2016 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

      The name sounded to me like one for a hobbit. Drogo, Frodo, . . .

  71. NJ's Gravatar NJ
    February 16, 2016 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    Voted for Meister Eckhart, rather than Drogo the underdog. I’m still amazed that Wilberforce lost in yesterday’s LM voting. But I will soldier on and hope the pairs for voting get better as we approach the Saintly Sixteen.
    I hope the S.E.C. will reconsider the placement of the vote button for the rest of the voting and commenting, to what it’s been. Or is this a move to confound the scoundrels who try to stuff the ballot box?!?

  72. Antoinette's Gravatar Antoinette
    February 16, 2016 - 10:21 am | Permalink

    Meister Eckhart because I like mystics.

  73. Karen's Gravatar Karen
    February 16, 2016 - 10:22 am | Permalink

    While I love Meister Eckhart, I must vote for Drogo – although I had never heard of him before. I googled him and found that as an anchorite he offered spiritual advice to those who asked. As one who lost my mother at an early age, I identify with him in many ways. I love that he is the patron saint of the unlovely (and coffee)!

  74. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    February 16, 2016 - 10:23 am | Permalink

    Many of the Angels that came to the men and women in the Bible said ” Do not be afraid” . This tells me they may might have been ugly. Drogo was not lovely. Was he an Angel? I vote for the the one I think may have been an Angel.

  75. Victor of Sturbridge's Gravatar Victor of Sturbridge
    February 16, 2016 - 10:25 am | Permalink

    A prayer of Meister Eckhart that I use in meditation:

    Gracious God,
    thy whole creation
    shines forth
    with thy splendor.

    May I breathe that glory
    in and out
    so that I am
    transformed by thee,
    and totally drowned
    in thy splendor.

  76. Mike Essig's Gravatar Mike Essig
    February 16, 2016 - 10:26 am | Permalink

    I sympathize with Eckhart for being tried and killed for something taken out of context. Patron Saint of the misquoted, perhaps?
    He got my vote.

  77. Mona's Gravatar Mona
    February 16, 2016 - 10:26 am | Permalink

    As a busy mom who would give her left leg (note, NOT the one needed for driving her kids around) for the gift of bilocation, I feel compelled to vote for Drogo. Also, coffee. I feel like those are connected, somehow. SEC, perhaps that’s how he became known as the patron of coffeehouses? 😉

  78. Cheryle Cerezo-Gardiner's Gravatar Cheryle Cerezo-Gardiner
    February 16, 2016 - 10:27 am | Permalink

    Anyone who has ever had something they’ve said or written taken out of context can surely identify with Meister Eckhart, and that alone should earn him my vote. However, Drogo’s story is more compelling to me this morning (as I drink my coffee, I’ll admit), and so I have cast my vote for the orphan child who blamed himself for his mother’s death.

  79. Barbara S.'s Gravatar Barbara S.
    February 16, 2016 - 10:27 am | Permalink

    BTW, here’s a really good article about Drogo: http://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/rediscovering-saint-drogo-sebourg

    It includes this paragraph about the coffee thing:

    ———————————-

    “Most notable in the contemporary popular culture of the English-speaking world, however, are the surprising identification of Drogo as the patron saint of coffeehouse-keepers and his association more generally with coffee. This might be dismissed as an apocryphal invention boosted by the coffeehouse boom of the past few decades, were it not historically attested. A Belgian almanac from 1860 shows that in Mons—just across the present-day Franco-Belgian border from Sebourg—Drogo had already been claimed by the city’s cafetiers (coffeehouse-keepers) as their patron.

    Nevertheless, the origin of St. Drogo’s association with coffeehouses remains mysterious; coffee was not introduced into France and Belgium until the seventeenth century. Some have ventured, tongue in cheek, that harried baristas might fittingly invoke a saint reputed to possess the mystical gift of bilocation. A more plausible connection may reside in a minor detail from some biographical sources: during his years of reclusion, Drogo took no drink but warm water. Perhaps also, the early coffeehouse-keepers of Hainaut marveled at how the properties of the coffee bean are transformed by fire without being destroyed by it, and were reminded of Drogo’s miraculous survival of the destruction of the church at Sebourg.”

  80. February 16, 2016 - 10:27 am | Permalink

    I, too, was set to hang my hat on Eckhart, but then felt such a pull toward Drogo and all he had suffered.
    Feeling unwanted is the most painful of life’s hurts. I am sure Eckhart felt that, too, in his battles with the Church, but I somehow suspect he was able to rise above it in great mystical fashion. It’s Drogo for me today. May he feel loved and appreciated, and may we all learn a bit more about his gift of bilocation. Sure could use that spiritual gift though if it meant keeping up with more sets of keys, I’d be doomed.

  81. February 16, 2016 - 10:28 am | Permalink

    P.S. Could some tech-savvy soul tell me how to add my picture to the profile here. I’m sure I’m overlooking a settings link somewhere.

    • Barbara S.'s Gravatar Barbara S.
      February 16, 2016 - 10:47 am | Permalink

      Allison, I think the only way is to set up a profile at Gravatar: http://en.gravatar.com/ . That’s where the images come from, as far as I know.

  82. February 16, 2016 - 10:29 am | Permalink

    Yesterday’s match-up was a very tough choice, and today’s is no easier. But what really got me was this statement: “Eckhart was a subtle and creative thinker.” Boy, is that needed today! And the collect, too, was a statement of his own grace-filled courage to speak to power. I hope we see Drogo and William Wilberforce again.

  83. Christina's Gravatar Christina
    February 16, 2016 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    Ummm. Does it ever say why Eckhart was accused of heresy? What did he say, think, write? This one isn’t explained….

  84. Lisa Rose's Gravatar Lisa Rose
    February 16, 2016 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    Hmmmm. This one’s the toughest so far for me as I feel an equally strong affinity for both these fine men. But choose we must. So I will let myself be swayed a little more by the man of words … the man who said: “If the only prayer you ever say in your entire life is thank you, it will be enough.” Meister Eckhart

  85. Rose Mahan's Gravatar Rose Mahan
    February 16, 2016 - 10:33 am | Permalink

    SEC–why did I have to vote today via comments? Voted for Drogo and have no good reason. He apparently did do some teaching before his disfigurement? He just seems like a sad and lonely ssaint:)

  86. Carol Kangas's Gravatar Carol Kangas
    February 16, 2016 - 10:33 am | Permalink

    Seriously? Bilocation? That doesn’t do it for me. As a tea-drinking lover of mystics, I gotta go with Meister Eckhardt.

  87. Mary-Eileen's Gravatar Mary-Eileen
    February 16, 2016 - 10:35 am | Permalink

    Given a choice between a mystic and pretty much anyone else, I’ll go for the mystic every time. So, Team Meister Eckhart today. Extra points for use of the phrase “modern interreligious dialogue.”

  88. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    February 16, 2016 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    Since I don’t drink coffee, that makes me a suspected heretic, like Meister Eckhart. And so I cast my vote for him.

  89. Lee Greenawalt's Gravatar Lee Greenawalt
    February 16, 2016 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    I love coffee, and feel strong support for those whose physical appearance is a handicap in society. However, I vote for Meister Eckardt who continued to speak out as God gave him utterance and did not just withdraw from the battle for righteousness.

  90. Scott Elliott's Gravatar Scott Elliott
    February 16, 2016 - 10:42 am | Permalink

    Meister Eckhart, of course!

  91. Robert Corey's Gravatar Robert Corey
    February 16, 2016 - 10:46 am | Permalink

    I’ve some vague recollection of a 70s cult where people endured harsh confrontation in search of peace and light. I forget what it was called, but I associate that thing with the name Meister Eckhart, wrongly, I’m sure… but when I started hanging out with folks who like things like Lent Madness and Medieval mystics, the mention of his name would trigger associations with 70s. I forget when I learned, years into it all, that he was someone quite different — but still kinda similar. Drogo is my patron saint for several reasons, coffee the least of them. I think I’d enjoy his kitsch (previous comments I’d called swag), especially if they’ve got an action figure.

  92. Anne E.B.'s Gravatar Anne E.B.
    February 16, 2016 - 10:46 am | Permalink

    Difficult choice today. Drogo breaks my heart. But I’m Team Mystic. Go Meister Eckhart!

  93. Nolan McBride's Gravatar Nolan McBride
    February 16, 2016 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    Drogo is giving this musical theater geek serious Phantom vibes. I bet he was much nicer then the Phantom though. “Saint Drogo of Sebourg is there, praying for your soul.”

  94. shawn c.'s Gravatar shawn c.
    February 16, 2016 - 10:50 am | Permalink

    I had a life much like Drogo. I am glad to hear of and will further learn about him. However, I love Meister Eckert and his work and couldn’t NOT vote for him!

  95. Abby Murphy's Gravatar Abby Murphy
    February 16, 2016 - 10:51 am | Permalink

    As I read about Drogo, with whom I was not familiar, I more and more thought perhaps I would vote for him, fond of Eckhart as I am. However, when I read of Drogo’s affiliation with coffee, I had to return to the old friend. I have no tolerance for coffee, neither the taste nor the smell (which sometimes gives me a raging headache and other discomforts). I may be allergic to Drogo’s patronage, alas.

  96. Brixham Beth's Gravatar Brixham Beth
    February 16, 2016 - 10:52 am | Permalink

    What beautiful sheep Drogo looked after, it didn’t actually say that Meister Echart was martyred in the matchup, I assumed he had died of old age!
    I’m sure that all the saints are watching the voting and the comments on a giant heavenly screen and having a good laugh as well, possibly holding mugs of coffee (purple or sainted) or St Brigid glasses of beer.
    Go Drogo

  97. Mollie Williams's Gravatar Mollie Williams
    February 16, 2016 - 10:53 am | Permalink

    While I have great compassion for orphans, I love my coffee, and I revere pilgrims, I must give my vote to Meister Eckhart because of his early understanding of the importance of honoring the Creation. A Creation-Centered Mystic!

  98. Linda Burnett's Gravatar Linda Burnett
    February 16, 2016 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    Anyone who can actually be in 2 places at the same time has my vote. And coffee. Lets not forget the coffee. Is it possible one is connected to the other? Today a vote for Drogo, no disrespect to brother Eckhardt intended

  99. Holly's Gravatar Holly
    February 16, 2016 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    The spiritual gift of bi-location appeals to me. Drogo gets my vote. I also like ugly saints and find them strangely appealing.

  100. Davis Dassori's Gravatar Davis Dassori
    February 16, 2016 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    Meister Eckhart is definitely the one I’d rather share a beer and a prayer with; but I am voting for Drogo as proxy for the true patron saint of coffee, Tim Schenck. Another century or two will have to pass before Fr. Tim’s patronage is recognized by the Holy Church Universal; but his cult already flourishes at the Parish of St. John the Evangelist, where he maintains a branch Rector’s office at the notorious local caffeine dive, Redeye Roasters, and on more than one occasion has been surreptitiously observed turning tea into coffee lest the eponymous after-church hour run out of propellant. (Ha, Tim, and you thought no one was looking!)

    Tradition also holds that on one occasion, when whole beans were mistakenly delivered to the parish hall, Fr. Tim rushed to the scene (via the vestry, where he donned his beloved cope) and extended his hand over the hapless container saying, “In the name of all that is holy, be ground!!” Unfortunately this had the effect of turning the beans into dirt, but it shows he’s working on his game. Perhaps bilocation will come in its turn.

    • February 16, 2016 - 11:43 am | Permalink

      This comment is amazing. Well done 🙂

      • Davis Dassori's Gravatar Davis Dassori
        February 16, 2016 - 12:24 pm | Permalink

        Thanks, and thank you for the excellent Drogobio and for teaching me, and it appears many others, a new word.

    • Lucy Porter's Gravatar Lucy Porter
      February 16, 2016 - 4:27 pm | Permalink

      Turning tea into coffee? What a sacrilege!

  101. Lucia's Gravatar Lucia
    February 16, 2016 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    The patron saint of my life blood! Go Dro!!

  102. Cheryl Cementina's Gravatar Cheryl Cementina
    February 16, 2016 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    I first thought Drogo had me at “coffee”, but then I read Eckhart’s bio. How could I, as someone whose saecular hero is Eleanor of Aquitaine, not vote for someone who adapted the language of courtly love? Add to that the charges of heresy for thinking outside the box, and yeah…Meister Eckhart for me.

  103. Linda from St. Ed's's Gravatar Linda from St. Ed's
    February 16, 2016 - 11:09 am | Permalink

    Very interesting pairing, SEC! I enjoyed pondering the lives of these two saints. I was touched by Drogo’s sensitive spirit, and by his dedication to prayer and pilgrimage. I was even more impressed by Eckhart’s combination of academic honesty and humility, his willingness to recant any writings found in error, and his undeniable contribution through works that have stood the test of time. One vote for the Meister here.

  104. JoAnn's Gravatar JoAnn
    February 16, 2016 - 11:18 am | Permalink

    Am of 1/4 German Heritage and 1/2 Irish and with no pairing from the Irish side I must therefore vote for Meister Eckhart

  105. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    February 16, 2016 - 11:19 am | Permalink

    Bilocation must be Drogo’s top skill. His Wikipedia article claims he is the patron saint of the following and no one knows what ties him to coffee!

    Patronage: those whom others find repulsive, unattractive people, Baume-les-Messieurs, bodily ills, broken bones, cattle, coffee house keepers, coffee house owners, deaf people, deafness, dumbness, Fleury-sur-Loire, gall stones, hernias, illness, insanity, mental illness, mentally ill people, midwives, mute people, muteness, mutes, orphans, ruptures, sheep, shepherds, sick people, sickness

  106. A Jennifer's Gravatar A Jennifer
    February 16, 2016 - 11:19 am | Permalink

    If Drogo makes it through, someone needs to tell Jason Momoa (and his legions of fans).
    #DROGOLIVES #GAMEOFHALOES

  107. Marilyn D's Gravatar Marilyn D
    February 16, 2016 - 11:20 am | Permalink

    I voted for Drogo because I felt like Meister Eckhardt would garner the majority of votes. Besides, he was so painfully separated from society that he deserves to be honored by winning a round in Lent Madness!

  108. Deacon Marcia's Gravatar Deacon Marcia
    February 16, 2016 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    Oh dear, another tough choice. As a Nashotah House graduate and our marvelous coffeehouse is named after St. Drogo, I thought, for sure, that would be my choice. But the mystics have always intrigued me and I feel a kinship with Meister Eckhart – he too broke some new and unfamiliar ground with the accompanying difficulties with church hierarchy. So, the Meister it is.

  109. Megan's Gravatar Megan
    February 16, 2016 - 11:33 am | Permalink

    Another two wonderful folks. I love Drogo’s selflessness, and his whole bilocation thing. I kind of wonder if the bilocation made it easier to live in a hermit’s cell, though. Personally, I’d have gone off on walks with my second self while my first self was safely locked up for the protection of others’ sensibilities. Meister Eckhart has my vote though, for expanding the imagery with which we perceive God and sticking with it despite the narrow-mindedness of his judges.

  110. Dorothee's Gravatar Dorothee
    February 16, 2016 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    I voted for Drogo because he is the patron of unattractive and repulsive people. Besides, his name is so Hobbitish!

  111. Leonard Matusik's Gravatar Leonard Matusik
    February 16, 2016 - 11:38 am | Permalink

    Saints representing the unattractive and the unjustly accused. Surely both appropriate for this superfine and cynical age.
    As Abraham Lincoln said,”God loves common people. That’s why he made so many of them.”
    Ps. Voted for Drogo because I love Hobbits.

  112. February 16, 2016 - 11:46 am | Permalink

    I voted for Meister Eckhart, because I have some German Heritage in my blood. PROST!

  113. Heather's Gravatar Heather
    February 16, 2016 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    Drogo’s collect won me over. plus coffee.

  114. F Wagoner's Gravatar F Wagoner
    February 16, 2016 - 11:51 am | Permalink

    According to http://www.loyolapress.com/the-patron-saints-of-the-culinary-arts.htm: “As far as we know, St. Drogo never drank coffee. He lived solely on barley, water, and the Eucharist until he died. His connection to coffee is that he was said to “bilocate,” working in the fields and going to Mass at the same time. Bilocation would require enormous energy, and coffee is an energy booster.”

  115. georgia's Gravatar georgia
    February 16, 2016 - 11:51 am | Permalink

    I voted for Drogo because of his affliction and I felt sorry for him.

  116. Adelaide Kent's Gravatar Adelaide Kent
    February 16, 2016 - 11:54 am | Permalink

    Interesting group of comments today. I think of this pairing as a confrontation between the erudite and the simple (not in a bad way.) Since I am not erudite, I will vote for Drogo. Most of his suffering was imposed.

  117. Christine Parkhurst's Gravatar Christine Parkhurst
    February 16, 2016 - 11:55 am | Permalink

    I’ve read some accounts about contemporary Greek orthodox monks/mystics who seem to have the power of bilocation. Bilocation in their case seems to involve a warp in the space-time continuum: a wrinkle in time, so they are observed here, and then (almost) simultaneously there.

    However, if Drogo had that ability, did he just pop back and forth to Rome, or did he walk? And if he walked, who was tending the sheep?

    • Carol's Gravatar Carol
      February 16, 2016 - 12:21 pm | Permalink

      . . . After all that coffee, one would hope he could just pop back and forth between sheep tending and Rome!

  118. Lynne Walton's Gravatar Lynne Walton
    February 16, 2016 - 11:56 am | Permalink

    Drogo living as a Flemish Shepherd and zipping to Rome 9 times, shows he looking for God in his life. Meister Eckhart went into the clerical life to show others how to find God, and he got done in by the evil side of church politics. Meister Eckhart gets my vote.

  119. aleathia (dolores) nicholson's Gravatar aleathia (dolores) nicholson
    February 16, 2016 - 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Drogo gets it today because of his compassion for the outsiders in many categories. In addition, being linked in any shape, form, or fashion with coffee, helped the push to vote for him. I don’t get to moving around and about ’til the cuppa joe is placed where I sit for each meal. Good blogs today.

  120. Pastor Deb's Gravatar Pastor Deb
    February 16, 2016 - 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Drogo is inspiring, of course, but Meister Eckhardt has been feeding me with much more than coffee for decades. My vote goes to him.

  121. Mary Ann G.'s Gravatar Mary Ann G.
    February 16, 2016 - 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Had to vote for Froyo. Because of the way he felt about the death of his mother, and that he never knew his father. Also I’m a coffee phanatic and my daughter is a barista so that needs no further explanation. No I have not entered the Mug shot contested butvplsn too.

    • Elaine Culver's Gravatar Elaine Culver
      February 16, 2016 - 12:35 pm | Permalink

      “mug shot” – play-on-words of the day. Love it!

    • Mary Ann G.'s Gravatar Mary Ann G.
      February 16, 2016 - 12:54 pm | Permalink

      I had to redo my comment because spell check destroyed the original one.
      Had to vote for Drogo. Because of the way he felt about the death of his mother, which seems to have motivated his religious life. Plus, that he never knew his father. Also I’m a coffee fanatic and my daughter is a barista so that needs no further explanation. No I have not entered the Mug shot contest yet but plan to. Love the bilocate aspect also. Who hasn’t ever wanted to do that.

  122. Carol's Gravatar Carol
    February 16, 2016 - 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Meister E got my vote.
    Do not let Julian be far from your mind!

  123. Judy Batson's Gravatar Judy Batson
    February 16, 2016 - 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Somewhat of a listicle for today!

    1.) Feedback: So much to love about Lent Madness! Great writing. Wonderful humor. Lots of learning. And, the visuals and collects supplied are inspirational! Bonus learning today: I found out what a “listicle” is. I share this feedback with gratitude to the Supreme Executive Committee leading most fruitful collaboration that gives us a blending of ancient stories and contemporary culture. I love reading comments from which I also learn or get a giggle. So, it’s all good! Thanks everyone!

    2.) My vote today: I knew I’d vote for Meister Eckhart as soon as I saw him in the Round of 32. I’ve long been a reader and fan of theologian Matthew Fox who was also a Dominican, silenced by the Vatican three times! Last thing I heard, he left his beloved Dominican order and was embraced as an Episcopal priest. (Anyone know about this?) Only today did I grasp the significance of Fox’s and Eckhart’s shared Dominican connection along with severe papal admonishments.

    3.) Suggestion: Given Matthew Fox’s tawdry, in-our-lifetime treatment by Rome, and in anticipation of 2017 Lent Madness, I humbly submit him for consideration if Lent Madness offers voting if one remains among the Saints of God on earth.

    Blessings!

    JudyB

    • Laureli's Gravatar Laureli
      February 16, 2016 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

      I actually studied Creation Spirituality when I worked on my masters in Theology back in the early 90s when Fox was still a Roman Catholic – love that he is now an Episcopal priest.

      • Judy Batson's Gravatar Judy Batson
        February 17, 2016 - 9:23 am | Permalink

        Laurel — I have been an ardent Creation Spirituality adherent for a long time, and my claim to fame as such is that I actually danced with Matthew Fox at the Episcopal Diocese of RI day-long retreat years ago. He led us in a beautiful and worshipful dance, and I thought I’d feel odd doing it, but it was quite wonderful! Love that man!

  124. Elaine Culver's Gravatar Elaine Culver
    February 16, 2016 - 12:32 pm | Permalink

    As a school mouse and lover of languages, I voted for Meister Eckhardt. Note that I did not call him “mister,” although that’s what we Episcopalians in the Diocese of West Texas called our rectors back in the day.

  125. Laureli Latimer's Gravatar Laureli Latimer
    February 16, 2016 - 12:42 pm | Permalink

    I went with Eckhart. Drogo brought thoughts of Lord of the Rings “Drogo Baggins”. and as much as I enjoyed that tale I was not real impressed with St. Drogo. No real theological gleaning from this gentle soul. Although I do admire his ability to bilocate. Yet there is no explanation of what he did to grow the kingdom or enlighten the people of God. So, I went with Eckhart. Even though I may not completely agree with his teachings I love how he challenged the satus quo of then and now.

    • Judy Batson's Gravatar Judy Batson
      February 17, 2016 - 9:27 am | Permalink

      Laurel – Perhaps not a bad thing to connect Drogo with “Baggins” since CS Lewis and fellow writers in his group, including JRR Tolkien, wrote in deeply Christian metaphors, and even The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings were typical of such. I think it was actually Bilbo Baggins though, but there must have been a Drogo in there somewhere. LOL!!

      • Judy Batson's Gravatar Judy Batson
        February 17, 2016 - 9:33 am | Permalink

        Note — actually got your name — Laureli — correct but darn old auto-correct turned it into Laurel! Keep wishing there was a way to do more with editing when we post. Sorry to get your name wrong.

  126. Jim Hampton's Gravatar Jim Hampton
    February 16, 2016 - 12:46 pm | Permalink

    While I was tempted to vote for Drogo simply because he is the Patron Saint of Coffee (really do you need any other reason?), alas I did not. I ended up voting for Eckhardt because I’ve ready a few of his texts and because of this line: “Following the usual procedure, the appointed examiners did not receive complete texts of the writings to be judged, only suspicious lines taken out of context.” How often does this continue today, where we take thing out of context to decide who’s in and who’s out? Lord have mercy!

  127. Judy Cato's Gravatar Judy Cato
    February 16, 2016 - 12:48 pm | Permalink

    After much struggle (I’m on my 3rd cup of coffee ) I voted for Meister Eckhardt because he was condemned by quotes out of context?

  128. SallyDuernberger's Gravatar SallyDuernberger
    February 16, 2016 - 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Coffee? Did you say coffee? Drogo got my vote!

  129. John of Concord's Gravatar John of Concord
    February 16, 2016 - 12:54 pm | Permalink

    How about we vote off both if these “saints” and restore yesterday’s “loser” ,The great and wonderful William Wilberforce?

  130. Lauren's Gravatar Lauren
    February 16, 2016 - 12:57 pm | Permalink

    As much as I love coffee and learning the (presumed) origin of Khal Drogo’s name in Game of Thrones, I’m going with the scholar, writer of Latin, and falsely accused.

  131. TJ's Gravatar TJ
    February 16, 2016 - 12:58 pm | Permalink

    I have to vote for the patron saint of coffee and ugly people.

  132. Pan Conrad's Gravatar Pan Conrad
    February 16, 2016 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Had to go with Meister because that whole anchorite thing that Drogo did leaves me cold, even with bilocation. I know, Julian did it yesterday, but still…Community is where it’s at and Meister lived in community, so I lift my bilocational cup of coffee to Meister Eckhart!

  133. Jude O'Hare's Gravatar Jude O'Hare
    February 16, 2016 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Received my daily email, but no place to vote?

  134. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    February 16, 2016 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Drogo, because who doesn’t need to learn how to be in two places at once? Also, coffee.

  135. Onionsauce's Gravatar Onionsauce
    February 16, 2016 - 1:31 pm | Permalink

    I voted for Drogo because he is the patron saint of the unattractive. Saintliness of the soul is deeper than beauty of the form! Also, his name reminds me of Khal Drogo of the Dothraki, sun to Danarys’s moon. (That’s a Game of Thrones reference.)

  136. Marisa Wight's Gravatar Marisa Wight
    February 16, 2016 - 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Oh Wow, We have a time-traveler! Perhaps I should have voted for Meister after all as my faithful church secretary Helen Crosby pointed out that Meister leaped forward in time from the 1300s to sometime before 1963 to speak to Pope John XXII who died in 1963!
    So, does someone else know the ‘rest of the story’?

    • linda's Gravatar linda
      February 16, 2016 - 1:49 pm | Permalink

      Marissa Wight- I believe that was Pope John XXIII….

  137. Galveston Tam's Gravatar Galveston Tam
    February 16, 2016 - 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I have prayed mightily for the power to bi-locate, but since the Lord hasn’t seen fit to bestow that gift upon me (yet!) I choose Meister. Besides, I’ll always identify more with word lover like him.

  138. Donald Lowery's Gravatar Donald Lowery
    February 16, 2016 - 2:16 pm | Permalink

    I voted for Drogo because I too want to bilocate and I am asking him to intercede to the Lord for me to that end. Also, anyone who can be the patron of ugly coffee drinkers is my friend.

  139. Wynne Osborne's Gravatar Wynne Osborne
    February 16, 2016 - 2:17 pm | Permalink

    A hard choice today. I went with Drogo to thank the heavens for the coffee I love every morning. But I am sympathetic to Meister E. and all the quotes taken out of context.

  140. Sharon Carveth's Gravatar Sharon Carveth
    February 16, 2016 - 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Meister — for all those who have been condemned for comments taken out of context. I am happy that he finally was heard in full.

  141. John Lewis's Gravatar John Lewis
    February 16, 2016 - 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Another very tough choice. At one time, I was drawn to Meister Eckhardtl; and Jakob Boehme in a first study of the Western mystical tradition, and I’m aware that decades later it’s time for me to tread that path again, but I was very deeply moved by the story of Drogo, which calls attention to the active side of his piety. He’s earthy, he’s practical, and he’s been beloved of what St. Augustine called “the holy common people of God” (plebs sancta Dei). I decided to go with Drogo. And please note: the numbering of Popes named John was complicated by the reign of Antipope John XXIII (Cardinal Baldassare Cossa (1370-1419). This causes the anomaly of numbering. The saga of Meister Eckhardt exemplifies the trials (literal and metaphorical) that arise when the Church takes up the role of administrator. (signed) Johannes non Papa

  142. Kathy's Gravatar Kathy
    February 16, 2016 - 2:58 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t get to vote. No prompt on my email. 🙁

  143. February 16, 2016 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Voted for Drogo because I was pretty sure Meister E would prevail–and finding out he’s the patron saint of ADD, I am glad to have done so. Not to mention coffee and protecting the Khaleesi! 😉

  144. Jean's Gravatar Jean
    February 16, 2016 - 3:00 pm | Permalink

    As a Lutheran and mother of a barista, I have to vote for Drogo. I thought Episcopalians drank only sherry.

    • Anthony Lee's Gravatar Anthony Lee
      February 16, 2016 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

      Usually after Evensong.

    • Tessa's Gravatar Tessa
      February 16, 2016 - 7:43 pm | Permalink

      Episcopalians, otherwise known as the denomination where the typical church kitchen has one can opener and five corkscrews? Our parish, known for the post-Great Vigil chocolate and champagne feast? Sherry, yes, and anything else we can get our thirsty little hands on.

  145. Rev. Jon Forbes's Gravatar Rev. Jon Forbes
    February 16, 2016 - 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Coffee. Giving up his birthright. Bilocation. An awesome trifecta!

  146. Jen M's Gravatar Jen M
    February 16, 2016 - 3:13 pm | Permalink

    really….PATRON.SAINT.OF.COFFEE. no need to continue reading –vote done.

  147. George's Gravatar George
    February 16, 2016 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Admiring Drogo for his loss of both parents, and feeling much for the suffering that ensued,
    (I am just now reading a moving/horrifying book about children who suffer extreme losses:
    The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog, by Bruce D. Perry, M.D. and Maia Szalavitz, subtitled
    And Other Stories From a Child Psychiatrist’s Notebook, What traumatized Children Can Teach Us About Loss, Love, and Healing), I am suspicious of anyone who reputedly bi-located.
    Thinking highly of Meister Eckhart for years, I think he can handle it, if he’s isn’t voted in.
    So I’ll vote for the underdog and lesser known, Drogo.
    I am ultimately suspicious of anyone who bi-locates.

  148. peggy's Gravatar peggy
    February 16, 2016 - 3:27 pm | Permalink

    On the origin of Drogo as the patron of baristas:
    The alternate spelling/pronunciation is Dreggo, which comes from the Latin for “bottom of the coffe pot”. Traditionally, the baristas were allowed to drink whatever was left after customers were served. Therefore, St. Dreggo (aka Drogo) became the patron saint of baristas, and by extension, coffee .

    • Marilyn's Gravatar Marilyn
      February 16, 2016 - 5:55 pm | Permalink

      I’m guessing “dregs” comes from this word.

  149. Valerie DeBenedette's Gravatar Valerie DeBenedette
    February 16, 2016 - 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Ugly people have a patron saint? Who knew? I tend to vote for the fascinating saint that I never heard of before, so Drogo gets my vote. But years ago I wrote a book on caffeine, so his coffee connection cemented the deal.

  150. John Eliot's Gravatar John Eliot
    February 16, 2016 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

    No ballot was included so could not vote.

  151. Deb's Gravatar Deb
    February 16, 2016 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    This tea drinker votes Drogo, who really should be the Patron Saint of Multi-Taskers.

  152. DonnaK's Gravatar DonnaK
    February 16, 2016 - 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Well, since Lent starts with Ash Wednesday…..

  153. Lucy Porter's Gravatar Lucy Porter
    February 16, 2016 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    When I was a hospital chaplain, on call for 24 hours Sun. AM-Mon. AM, I could have surely used the ability to bilocate, or more. There was one day when there were codes going on in the ER, ICU, and on another floor as well. Families present at all, etc., etc. But Meister Eckhart is one of my old friends, thanks to Rev. Evelyn Newman. I could not fail to vote for him, if I can find a VOTE button.

  154. Lucy Porter's Gravatar Lucy Porter
    February 16, 2016 - 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Just so you know, “listicle” is not in the dictionary on my Mac!

  155. Joanna Burt's Gravatar Joanna Burt
    February 16, 2016 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    I voted for DROGO, a kind of “pity” vote because he was orphaned, but also because of his energetic patronage in various areas: Patron FOR coffee stuff, patron FOR people who are not gorgeous, patron FOR people who have mental illness (as I discovered on another website) and deserve all the patron saints and allies they can get, AGAINST bodily illnesses and broken bones and hernias and more….GO DROGO!

  156. Marilyn's Gravatar Marilyn
    February 16, 2016 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Though I am impressed with Eckhard’s ability to bilocate, I just have to give my vote to Drogo after reading of his life of devotion despite his many traumas. And being the “patron of unattractive and repulsive people” just make me want to lift him up even more. Thanks for informing me about Drogo. I had never heard of him before today!

    • Carol G's Gravatar Carol G
      February 16, 2016 - 9:35 pm | Permalink

      Actually bilocation was attributed to Drogo.

      Despite Drogo’s many positive virtues,especially his love of Rome (do you think he threw coins in a fountain or maybe just cooled his feet in one?), I have to vote for the mystic who ran afoul of the hierarchy.

  157. Mary W. Cox's Gravatar Mary W. Cox
    February 16, 2016 - 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Two haiku for Drogo:

    Behind ugly face
    Drogo prayed grace and beauty
    into a harsh world.

    Drogo knew we’d need
    coffee when called to be in
    two places at once.

    • Mildred Rugger's Gravatar Mildred Rugger
      February 16, 2016 - 8:54 pm | Permalink

      Thank you, Mary W. Cox.

  158. Anthony Lee's Gravatar Anthony Lee
    February 16, 2016 - 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Heavy on mystics this year, aren’t we? I’ve already stated my fondness for mystics, and I also have a lot of sympathy for people accused of heresy (who often aren’t heretics), particularly by such poor judges as an Inquisition. Puts Eckhart right up there with Copernicus and Galileo (although he was three centuries earlier than them).

  159. Eileen C. Fisher's Gravatar Eileen C. Fisher
    February 16, 2016 - 7:26 pm | Permalink

    I see someone else thought of a possible LOTR link with Drogo. It was the first thing that came to my mind. My husband and I are consistently voting for the opposite saints. His reasoning is this:He is a contemplative Christian and I am an active one. I have been searching my mind for a diagnosis for Drogo and a number of things come to mind that Iwill not bore you with. I lost my father at an early age and blamed myself. This was in a time, the 60’s, when children were not included in discussions of cancer afflicting their parents. Left on my own, I remember praying in our backyard to God to beg forgiveness for my sins which caused my father to become ill and to please cure my father. I wasn’t even privy to what disease he had, lymphoma and later leukemia. Drogo, I feel your pain and I voted for you. I also have worked with children with disfiguring disorders, making it another reason Drogo was my choice.

  160. J Penn's Gravatar J Penn
    February 16, 2016 - 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Listicle? I did a double take. I thought someone misspelled “popsicle.” Or other things…

  161. terry b's Gravatar terry b
    February 16, 2016 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Frodo lives!

  162. Heather D. Sanderson's Gravatar Heather D. Sanderson
    February 16, 2016 - 8:48 pm | Permalink

    I read about these two saints this afternoon. It was such a tough choice, so I decided to wait on voting, until tonight. I have chosen Eckhart: because he was a Dominican. One of the most helpful, healing people to come into my life is a Sinsinawa Dominican Nun. Meister was a mystic and valued the arts. It’s sad that he lost his battle to prove he was not a heretic. Thank goodness we are not under The Inquisition today: I’m pretty sure I’d have already been toast.

  163. DORIS V.'s Gravatar DORIS V.
    February 16, 2016 - 9:10 pm | Permalink

    I liked Drago too. But to feel that responsible for your mother’s death?? I think he had psychological problems. He needed a therapist. :-). Or did he???

  164. Carrie's Gravatar Carrie
    February 16, 2016 - 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Several days ago, I passed up the opportunity to vote for a saint who was actually swallowed by the earth to avoid an uncomfortable decision, something I often hope for. I cannot vote against someone who is able to be in two places at once. I voted for Drogo.

  165. Fran Irvin's Gravatar Fran Irvin
    February 16, 2016 - 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Drogo’s bilocation must have been real. If he was drinking coffee in the 12th century CE, he wasn’t doing it in Europe..

  166. February 16, 2016 - 11:47 pm | Permalink

    My vote has to go to Meister Eckhart, who was condemned based on quotes taken out of context – I immediately thought of Sr Dr Elizabeth Johnson, and how this is still happening today.

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