Catherine of Siena vs. Emma of Hawaii

Today’s match-up is fraught with intrigue as two popular women from fabulous vacation spots duke it out for the right to advance to the Round of the Saintly Sixteen. If you were smart, you conducted some intense personal research by traveling to both Siena, Italy, and Honolulu, Hawaii, before the start of Lent Madness. If not, now is the time to lobby your travel agent for a 2013 Lent Madness vacation package.

In recent action, John Cassian coasted to victory over James Lloyd Breck (55% to 45%), making you wonder why Nashotah House graduates aren’t more passionate about Lent Madness. Perhaps all that Tebowing (what we used to call genuflecting) distracted them from the task at hand. In any case, view the updated bracket and the calendar of upcoming match-ups and enjoy today’s Lent Madness all-female revue.
Catherine of Siena (1347-1380) was a 14th century mystic, visionary, Dominican tertiary, and theologian. She’s best known for being an articulate critic of political battles among clergy within the Roman Catholic Church. Appalled by factional fighting that resulted in the Avignon papacy, she persuaded Pope Gregory XI to return to Rome and reform the clergy. When the next Great Schism broke out in 1378, Pope Urban VI demanded that Catherine come to Rome as his advocate.

In the midst of all this, Catherine experienced a “mystical marriage” with Jesus, received the stigmata, and found time to dictate a book of meditations and revelations, The Dialogue of Divine Providence. More than 300 of her letters to confessors, royalty, and church officials have survived over the centuries. Interestingly, 1/3 of her surviving letters were written to women.

Catherine was drawn to faith at an early age, having her first vision of Christ blessing her when she was five and vowing chastity at the age of seven. She died in 1380 at the age of 33 (by tradition, the same age as her Lord). She was canonized in 1461 and received the title of Doctor of the Church in 1970, one of the few women to ever receive this honor.

Collect for Catherine of Siena: Everlasting God, you so kindled the flame of holy love in the heart of blessed Catherine of Siena, as she meditated on the passion of your Son our Savior, that she devoted her life to the poor and the sick, and to the peace and unity of the Church: Grant that we also may share in the mystery of Christ’s death, and rejoice in the revelation of his glory; who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and forever. Amen.

Meredith Gould

Still revered by Hawaiians as “our beloved Queen,” Emma Kalanikaumakaamano Kaleleonālani Naʻea Rooke, or Queen Emma for short, was born to a royal family with direct lineage to King Kamehameha I. At 20 she married King Kamehameha IV with whom she shared a love for the Anglican church and its liturgy.  In 1860, shortly after the birth of their son, the couple petitioned the Bishop of Oxford to send missionaries to establish the Anglican Church of Hawaii.

The Church of England was happy to oblige and soon dispatched a bishop and two priests to those pleasant shores. Unlike monarchs before her, Emma was a hands-on royal who commenced building a school for Hawaiian girls and St. Andrew’s Cathedral in Honolulu. Her deep concern for the well-being of her people, who had been ravaged by smallpox, was seen in the establishment of what would become Queen’s Medical Center. Today it is the premiere medical facility for the Pacific basin.

The personal tragedy of losing both her four-year-old son and her beloved husband in a 15-month span did not stop Emma from endeavoring on behalf of her people. To assume the throne after her husband’s death, Emma was required to enter Hawaii’s constitutionally-mandated election process. Though the Hawaiian people supported her candidacy, her opponent won a landslide victory in the Legislative Assembly. In the wake of this upset, her supporters rioted but were quickly quelled by the presence of American warships in the harbor.

Over the next 22 years, to the end of her life at age 49, the dowager queen remained steadfast in her faithfulness to the Church of Hawaii and her people. Comfortable in her identity as a descendant of both Hawaiians and Europeans, she was multi-cultural before it was cool. Her holy example and legacy of charity live on across the islands and beyond.

Collect for Kamehamha IV and Emma: O Sovereign God, who raised up Kamehameha and Emma to be rulers in Hawaii, and inspired and enabled them to be diligent in good works for the welfare of their people and the good of your Church: Receive our thanks for their witness to the Gospel; and grant that we, with them, may attain to the crown of glory that never fades away; through Jesus Christ our Savior and Redeemer, who with you and the Holy Spirit lives and reigns, one God, for ever and ever. Amen.

Heidi Shott


Catherine of Siena vs. Emma of Hawaii

  • Emma of Hawaii (60%, 1,219 Votes)
  • Catherine of Sienna (40%, 800 Votes)

Total Voters: 2,019

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87 Comments to "Catherine of Siena vs. Emma of Hawaii"

  1. March 8, 2012 - 7:55 am | Permalink

    I love the fact that Emma and Kamehameha are considered saints worthy of commemoration. But I preached my senior sermon on Catherine and visited her head on display in the Sienna Cathedral. She was probably as crazy as a loon, but she’s got my vote.

    • Ann Hassler's Gravatar Ann Hassler
      March 13, 2012 - 2:40 am | Permalink

      Nobody gave more to her people than Queen Emma – who even after her husband died – took to the streets of her city to raise money to establish the first real hospital in Hawaii. She always put others before herself and loved the Anglican/Episcopal Church!

  2. Geof's Gravatar Geof
    March 8, 2012 - 8:03 am | Permalink

    Got to go with grit, `âmene!

  3. Cynthia Hallas's Gravatar Cynthia Hallas
    March 8, 2012 - 8:10 am | Permalink

    Your mention of “vacation spots” makes me wonder if there are any saints from Charlotte.

  4. Mary Lou Creamer's Gravatar Mary Lou Creamer
    March 8, 2012 - 8:12 am | Permalink

    This was really tough! I love Catherine and the fact that a women could play such a powerful role in a church that was (and is) so male dominated. I don’t think women often get enough credit for the influence they had when women had no rights. On the other hand, I love the determination of Emma, who when everything was against her, stayed loyal to her Church and people. I’ve been to both places and truly was torn with this vote. But in the end, it was Emma who won my vote. I think because her efforts were a bit more modern.

  5. Laura's Gravatar Laura
    March 8, 2012 - 8:14 am | Permalink

    [The eternal Father to Catherine:] ” You are she who is not, and I AM HE WHO IS.”

    “You see this gentle loving Word born in a stable while Mary was on a journey, to show you pilgrims how you should be constantly born anew in the stable of self-knowledge, where by grace you will find me born in your soul.”

    I admire Emma’s dedication to her people, but I have to go with Catherine, who seemed to have really “gotten it”.

  6. Lauren Stanley's Gravatar Lauren Stanley
    March 8, 2012 - 8:31 am | Permalink

    Catherine. She was a doctor of the Church when women weren’t allowed to be leaders. She explained God in ways that resonate with others, including me.

  7. Beth Royalty's Gravatar Beth Royalty
    March 8, 2012 - 8:36 am | Permalink

    really hard choice today. Went with Emma.

  8. Cori Olson's Gravatar Cori Olson
    March 8, 2012 - 8:36 am | Permalink

    Both women seems ready to be sized for a GOLDEN HALO (heavenly choir sings a perfect chord of honor), but I liked Emma. I liked that she invited the church in.

  9. Margaret Smist's Gravatar Margaret Smist
    March 8, 2012 - 8:40 am | Permalink

    No real good reason for my Catherine vote except that the church I grew up in was Catherine of Siena….

  10. aleathia nicholson's Gravatar aleathia nicholson
    March 8, 2012 - 8:47 am | Permalink

    Those who manage to stay grounded and not waft like incense up into the rarified atmosphere seldom, if ever, receive their just desserts. But we do tend to revel in the aura given off by visions and stigmata and the cloistered life. Well, I’ll have to cast my lot with Emma who stayed grounded, suffered for the Church at the hands uplifted against her and tested by the loss of those closest to her, yet was ever- faithful to her people and her God. She remained here with us….well…with them. I have a hard time dealing with anybody who has visions at the age of five. But…to each his/her own Dulcinea.

  11. Michel D.'s Gravatar Michel D.
    March 8, 2012 - 8:52 am | Permalink

    wow. Another tough call. But I often wonder it stigmata was some sort of weird festering boil thing…Emma it is, long live the descendants of King Kamehameha. Aloha.

  12. Patsy's Gravatar Patsy
    March 8, 2012 - 8:57 am | Permalink

    Emma seems a real flesh and blood saint to me. Being a mother myself, I’ll go with the saintly mother every time.

  13. Ann's Gravatar Ann
    March 8, 2012 - 9:05 am | Permalink

    Emma – for sure. Catherine – the most well known anorexic IMO. and what was all the weirdness about being married to Christ with his foreskin as a ring?

  14. Sara Weigle's Gravatar Sara Weigle
    March 8, 2012 - 9:10 am | Permalink

    I went with Catherine only because of this statement: “She’s best known for being an articulate critic of political battles among clergy within the Roman Catholic Church.” I feel as if we could use a bit of her spirit these days.

  15. March 8, 2012 - 9:11 am | Permalink

    Emma is great but Catherine….well isn’t it obvious why I HAD to vote for her? Besides, she is the Patron Saint of Nurses (which my mother was one) as well as the against illness, sick people and miscarriages. What better advocate for women’s health issues?!

  16. Marguerite's Gravatar Marguerite
    March 8, 2012 - 9:11 am | Permalink

    Close contest in these early hours.

    I voted for Catheirine. She (her writings, speifically the Dialogues) had a profound influence on my spiritual life. And I, too, saw her head when I visited Siena. Doctor of the Church. Vote Catherine.

  17. Mary-Elise's Gravatar Mary-Elise
    March 8, 2012 - 9:15 am | Permalink

    I thought this going to be a tough choice until I read an article yesterday about a Catherine of Siena church inVa attended by Rick santorun. Made Emma a lock for me.

    • Tarheel's Gravatar Tarheel
      March 8, 2012 - 10:24 am | Permalink

      Thank you for a good laugh this morning. Your reasoning works for me too. Emma rules!

  18. March 8, 2012 - 9:18 am | Permalink

    I have to vote Catherine, of course. Props to my Dominican homegirl — and WORD to the Blessed Mutha! 🙂

  19. March 8, 2012 - 9:29 am | Permalink

    A woman would have to be crazy as a loon to take on the Catholic hierarchy. That she succeeded in getting a pope to reform the clergy makes me suspect the diagnosis was bipolar II — the diagnosis of most weirdly successful people. The stigmata – every culture creates its own manifestation of neurological difference. I haven’t decided yet, but this trash talk about Catherine is tipping me in her favor. Us loonies need a few saints to remind us that our illness has a place in God’s economy.

    • Jennifer's Gravatar Jennifer
      March 8, 2012 - 2:28 pm | Permalink

      Crazy…like a fox! (as grandma would say)
      Vote currently undecided but I do like Catherine for speaking truth to power. I’m fascinated that power listened!

      As an aside, the practice of putting saintly body parts on display grosses me right out (why not put THAT one up as her photo? Ew.) I wish Power would stop doing that. But what happened to her head post-mortem is not Catherine’s fault, so I can’t let that bias my choice.

  20. Alice's Gravatar Alice
    March 8, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    Been to Honolulu and Siena a couple of times. I love Siena and that area of Italy. I have visited Catherine’s burial site(s). An interesting choice. While Emma is certainly a worthwhile choice, I think I will go with Catherine. Catherine in as interesting example of how a person with serious mental health issues (IMHO) can still make a significant contribultion.

  21. Mary W. Cox's Gravatar Mary W. Cox
    March 8, 2012 - 9:35 am | Permalink

    Hard choice–Catherine’s disgust with church politics resonated, but Emma’s gritty and steadfast devotion to God and to her people–and that beautiful, tough, resolute face gazing out from the photo–made her my choice. Besides…

    Saints depicted in
    photos, not icons–love that
    RECENT holiness!

  22. Eve's Gravatar Eve
    March 8, 2012 - 9:54 am | Permalink

    What a great match up for today. It being International Women’s Day!

  23. March 8, 2012 - 10:04 am | Permalink

    My vote went to Catherine. Loved her ever since kindergarten when we had to dress up as our patron saint!

  24. Dennis Johnson's Gravatar Dennis Johnson
    March 8, 2012 - 10:06 am | Permalink

    I had to vote for Catherine because she exhibited her sainthood so well and, of course, was stigmatized. However, to give credit where due, Emma gets my vote for best hat.

    • Margaret Smist's Gravatar Margaret Smist
      March 8, 2012 - 10:10 am | Permalink

      Is this the royal wedding ? Voting on hats?? 🙂

  25. Joe Stroud's Gravatar Joe Stroud
    March 8, 2012 - 10:09 am | Permalink

    Yeah, I know Catherine was pre-Reformation, and I love that she spoke truth to power, but in the end, the Anglican takes it for me! Besides, like Aleathia, “visions” at age 5 make me a tad uneasy. Aloha!

  26. Dennis Johnson's Gravatar Dennis Johnson
    March 8, 2012 - 10:12 am | Permalink

    Oops, I made a mistake about the stigmata; but Catherine is still my candidate. Just like our church leaders to wait 600+ years to award her with her her doctorate.

  27. March 8, 2012 - 10:44 am | Permalink

    Tough choice today. While I often go with the mystics, today I thought it was time for a more grounded choice and for an unfamiliar name to me, who keeps the faith day by day. Thanks Emma.

  28. Harry W's Gravatar Harry W
    March 8, 2012 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    Catherine has my vote, her voice for people in a time when women did not have
    a voice in the church speaks to me. She sees the problems in the church and
    says something about them.

  29. Ann Ely's Gravatar Ann Ely
    March 8, 2012 - 11:00 am | Permalink

    What a hard choice today! I finally went with Emma because she was so hands on, she invited the church AND remained faithful to her people. Not always an easy thing to do.
    I did, however, admire Catherine because, “She’s best known for being an articulate critic of political battles among clergy within the Roman Catholic Church. Appalled by factional fighting that resulted in the Avignon papacy, she persuaded Pope Gregory XI to return to Rome and reform the clergy.” We could certainly use her around here today! (I am speaking about the Anglican church here.)

  30. Katherine Grimes's Gravatar Katherine Grimes
    March 8, 2012 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    Easy choice. My name is Katherine, so I have to go with Catherine.

  31. Tom Cox's Gravatar Tom Cox
    March 8, 2012 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    Aloha, Church of England! I wonder if that terrific hat Emma is wearing was reserved for the queen or if it just reflects her own sartorial preferences.

  32. Mary Sue's Gravatar Mary Sue
    March 8, 2012 - 11:23 am | Permalink

    Emma is the only saint known to have played the ukulele.

    I play the ukulele.

    Voting on this one was easy.

  33. Rosemary Beales's Gravatar Rosemary Beales
    March 8, 2012 - 11:35 am | Permalink

    Vowing chastity at age 7 kinda creeps me out. I appreciate Catherine’s accomplishments, but I vote for Emma, wife and mother, and protector of her people.

    • Beth Ann's Gravatar Beth Ann
      March 8, 2012 - 12:28 pm | Permalink

      Yes, Rosemary, that caught my notice as well. How does a seven year old even know about chastity? We are trained to suspect abuse when a child has precocious sexual knowledge. I’ll add PTSD to the differential diagnosis.
      I was also struck by how young both of these women were in their respective heydays. I don’t think we are doing a very good job of listening to 20-somethings these days.
      I think I will wait to vote.

    • Laura's Gravatar Laura
      March 8, 2012 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think we ought to try to understand Catherine in terms of our modern “crazy” labels. Most likely, at 7, she told her parents she wanted to devote her life to God, not that she wanted to remain chaste.

  34. Carol Buckalew's Gravatar Carol Buckalew
    March 8, 2012 - 11:59 am | Permalink

    I had to go with Emma. We lived in Hawaii for 4 years & loved it! I have been in St. Andrew’s Cathedral. Edmond Browning+ was Bishop of Hawaii when we were there. Aloha! Go Emma!

  35. Alene's Gravatar Alene
    March 8, 2012 - 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Having seen the love bestowed
    On Emma by her people.
    I cast my vote. Aloha!

  36. Edgar Wallace's Gravatar Edgar Wallace
    March 8, 2012 - 12:21 pm | Permalink

    We have a tertiary relic of St. Catherine of Siena in our altar at St. Matthias, Minocqua and I have also seen her sarcophagus in the high altar of Santa Maria sopra Minerva in Rome. All the same, I voted for Emma for her indomitable character and style. Plus, Hawaii Five -O(old and new) has always been one of my favorite shows.

  37. dr.primrose's Gravatar dr.primrose
    March 8, 2012 - 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Been to both Honolulu and Siena. I suspect Catherine is the greater saint but I’ve long had affection for Emma and Kamehameha. So Emma it is.

  38. Mary's Gravatar Mary
    March 8, 2012 - 12:34 pm | Permalink

    What a matchup! I’d love to learn more about both women because I found them absolutely fascinating. While Emma gets automatic extra points for not being white, I still had to go with Catherine. The mystics intrigue me, and besides, she actually got powerful men to listen to her.

  39. Lin Knight's Gravatar Lin Knight
    March 8, 2012 - 1:23 pm | Permalink

    After 11 years at St. Andrew’s Cathedral in Honolulu, this was an easy one for me. Emma appreciated the balance of body (Queen’s Hospital), mind (St. Andrew’s Priory School) and spirit (St. Andrew’s Cathedral). As long as you don’t have to pronounce those Hawaiian names, she’s a shoo-in, all the way to the Golden Halo! Me ke aloha pumehana!

    • Marie Bagwell's Gravatar Marie Bagwell
      March 8, 2012 - 3:34 pm | Permalink

      Having been to Siena I was leaning toward Catherine but Lin’s arguments tipped the balance. I am voting for Emma!

  40. Marguerite's Gravatar Marguerite
    March 8, 2012 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Hard to grapple with the mysticism of Catherine, so much we don’t understand or even accept in our modern framework…but that’s just what I love about her.

    Remember …even though she preferred to stay praying in her tiny cell in Siena, she traveled to Rome to make her voice heard on the issues of the day. And this was centuries before women had anything like a voice in the magisterium of the church. So my vote went to Catherine.

    Lastly a seven year old might not fully understand the mechanics of chastity, but she would surelyknow that some women never marry and that she wanted to live in that state.

  41. Sister Mary Winifred's Gravatar Sister Mary Winifred
    March 8, 2012 - 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Emma definitely gets my vote — Aloha!

  42. Jean Barnhill's Gravatar Jean Barnhill
    March 8, 2012 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Queen Emma, of course. Besides taking into account her personal qualifications for the honor, I lived on Queen Emma Square in Honolulu while teaching at St. Andrew’s Priory, which she founded for “her girls;” my four children were born in the Queen’s Hospital (it was Territory of Hawaii at the time); I was married in St. Andrew’s Cathedral ; have an abiding admiration for the Hawaiian royalty and love for the Hawaiian people. How could I choose otherwise?

  43. Rhetta Wiley's Gravatar Rhetta Wiley
    March 8, 2012 - 2:04 pm | Permalink

    I cannot believe how pumped up I am about this. I was never this excited about basketball, and I went to Carolina!

  44. Deborah Broome's Gravatar Deborah Broome
    March 8, 2012 - 2:04 pm | Permalink

    One of the toughest choices yet today – but in the end I’ll go with Catherine. I have a daughter Katherine who has the same sort of stroppy and articulate faith. Go team Catherine!

  45. Barb's Gravatar Barb
    March 8, 2012 - 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Come on West coast & beyond – bring in those votes for Emma of Hawaii!

  46. Lisa from TX's Gravatar Lisa from TX
    March 8, 2012 - 2:18 pm | Permalink

    I’m gonna go for Catherine (I’m more familiar with her, I’ve read–a little bit– of her writings, she was an influential women in her time by the strength of her faith), but I really enjoyed learning about Emma. Wow! Quite of woman of spirit and Spirit.

  47. dr.primrose's Gravatar dr.primrose
    March 8, 2012 - 2:20 pm | Permalink

    If you think Emma’s full name in Hawaiian is a mouthful, how about her full name in English — Emma Alexandrina Francis Agnes Lowder Byde Rooke Young Kaleleokalani?

  48. Paul Rosbolt's Gravatar Paul Rosbolt
    March 8, 2012 - 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Gotta go with Catherine!

  49. March 8, 2012 - 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Queen Emma’s hat is fierce!!

  50. Heidi Shott's Gravatar Heidi Shott
    March 8, 2012 - 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Good morning, friends in Hawaii!!! Vote!

  51. March 8, 2012 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Mystical marriage to Christ, the stigmata, Doctor of the Church AND she had to be called in to be muscle for Pope Urban – let’s call it Super thursday for Catherine of Siena!

  52. Sister Mary Winifred's Gravatar Sister Mary Winifred
    March 8, 2012 - 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Anyone at Christ Church, Kealakekua, playing Lent Madness?? Please vote for Emma!

  53. DMac's Gravatar DMac
    March 8, 2012 - 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Lots going for both these contenders, and I have been both places. Nothing like seeing the relic in Siena. I have to go with Catherine, whose presence and command and power in her time were remarkable.

  54. Tori-Lee's Gravatar Tori-Lee
    March 8, 2012 - 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Aloha Ke Akua- Love of God- the goodness and grace of Women throughout history to have love and compassion for the ugliness of their times shows us Women of today that we are NO different- we can and we do make a difference within our own time and place. WE need to recognize this in ourselves and get to work. WE are as they are in our own way…FEARLESS!!!

  55. March 8, 2012 - 4:36 pm | Permalink

    My mother’s name is Catherine. That does it for me.

  56. Alan Bobowski's Gravatar Alan Bobowski
    March 8, 2012 - 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Emma and Kamehameha stand in the long line or royal rulers who brought Christianity to their nation, including Constantine, Vladimir, and many others. As a Slav, I’m grateful to Vladimir who not only brought Christianity but also European civilization to the people of the Russia and the Ukraine. So I cast my vote out of solidarity for Emma.

  57. Casey's Gravatar Casey
    March 8, 2012 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry, but I don’t see how Emma is a saint. Really nice, faithful lady…sure. But saint deserving of the Saintly 16? Absolutely not.

  58. Julie's Gravatar Julie
    March 8, 2012 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Catherine has my vote

  59. Jim's Gravatar Jim
    March 8, 2012 - 6:43 pm | Permalink

    AARGH!!! First we have voted the apostles out. Apparently being hand picked by the son of God is not good enough to get you out of the first round. Now we have a middle ages theologian and visionary going down to defeat by a person whose attributes are playing the ukelele and coming from a cool place to vacation in. Tim was right in saying that “reason” does not apply to Lent Madness. Oh well, it is still a lot of fun.

  60. Hope's Gravatar Hope
    March 8, 2012 - 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Hope voted for Emma today. “Who needs a golden halo when you’ve got a hat like that?”

  61. Mary-Elise's Gravatar Mary-Elise
    March 8, 2012 - 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Jim, that depends on your definition of apostle– The Apostle to the Apostles, Mary Magdalene did make it out.

    • Jim's Gravatar Jim
      March 8, 2012 - 7:38 pm | Permalink

      Mary-Elise, you are SOOO Right and I have her going all the way to the Golden Halo Round.

      • Mary-Elise's Gravatar Mary-Elise
        March 8, 2012 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

        Me too. I think she will sail past Joan of Arc easily in the next round.

  62. Barb's Gravatar Barb
    March 8, 2012 - 8:08 pm | Permalink

    This was really hard but in the end I went with Catherine because in my more pious days (lol) I read a quote from her that really moved me and still does.
    “If of that which my heart is feeling one drop were to fall into hell, hell itself would become all life eternal.”

  63. Georgia's Gravatar Georgia
    March 8, 2012 - 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Good match-up, but Emma’s day is my birthday, so I’m going with Emma.

  64. March 8, 2012 - 9:02 pm | Permalink

    This has turned very ‘denominational’ . yuck.

    • Enrica's Gravatar Enrica
      March 8, 2012 - 9:47 pm | Permalink

      Now we’re trying to diagnose saints??? Shame on us, if we can’t accept what we don’t understand, what good is our faith? Perhaps we need to learn about the virtue that every true saint has: humility. Catherine of Siena is one of the greatest saints of all time whether she wins or not!

  65. Marguerite's Gravatar Marguerite
    March 8, 2012 - 10:11 pm | Permalink

    It’s Philander Chase all over again!

  66. dr.primrose's Gravatar dr.primrose
    March 8, 2012 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

    In light of the change from 55% for Catherine to 60% for Emma, the Hawaiians must have been voting in droves after the East Coast folks went to bed!

    • Keane Akao's Gravatar Keane Akao
      March 8, 2012 - 11:09 pm | Permalink

      Just to let you know members of The Episcopal Diocese of Hawai‘i worked hard on getting the vote out!

  67. March 8, 2012 - 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Nope, had to go with Catherine. She kicked the French popes back to Rome where they were the temporal rulers instead of being kept ‘ladies’. She may have been crazy as all get out but what she was doing was what visionaries were doing during her day. She was crazy enough to stand up and succeed.

  68. March 8, 2012 - 11:19 pm | Permalink

    A thought for those who are turned off by the mystic elements of Catherine’s life: it seems to me that the discourse of the mystic was one of the only modes of theological discourse that were acceptable for women in the Middle Ages. It’s been interesting for me to learn how much solid theological thought there also was in the writings of women I’d been taught to think of as mystics, like Teresa of Avila and Catherine of Siena.

    So I would not hold that against her!

  69. Ginny Rodriguez's Gravatar Ginny Rodriguez
    March 9, 2012 - 2:08 am | Permalink

    Emma established a school for girls, and a hospital. She asked for missionaries to come to Hawaii. Emma didn’t wait for someone else to build. She got right to work on it. Emma demonstrated faith into action. Catherine seems a trifle spooky to me, in spite of shrewed political sucesses. I vote for Emma.

  70. Michelle C. Jackson's Gravatar Michelle C. Jackson
    March 9, 2012 - 2:27 am | Permalink

    For all the good that Emma did, Catherine of Sienna is recognized as a teacher of church doctrine, not just a do-er of it. Vote for Catherine.

  71. March 9, 2012 - 11:06 am | Permalink

    As a lover of most things Dominican, Catherine. Hard to beat one of your confirmation saints…

  72. Jennifer's Gravatar Jennifer
    March 9, 2012 - 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Not how I voted, but nice to see Emma finally win one. Congrats, people of Hawaii (and other Queen Emma fans)!

    Don’t know about ‘order of listing’ influencing voting preference, but I can sure see “coast-to-coast bedtimes” being a factor in upcoming rounds…exciting! And Biblical! “The last shall be first…”

  73. helene from Middletown, Ohio's Gravatar helene from Middletown, Ohio
    March 9, 2012 - 5:06 pm | Permalink

    So glad that Queen Emma is moving on. She was one beautifully strong soldier of Christ.

  74. Karen Chiaverini's Gravatar Karen Chiaverini
    March 10, 2012 - 9:04 am | Permalink

    I think they should of put more detailed information on St Catherine, maybe some of her writings, to get a better feeling of her, I belong to St Catherine of Siena, and I love the Church, I vote for St Catherine

  75. Theresa's Gravatar Theresa
    March 13, 2012 - 9:17 pm | Permalink

    I vote for Catherine, she did an amazing amount in the short 33 yrs that she lived!

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