Catherine of Alexandria vs. Catherine of Siena

If your name happens to be Catherine (or Katherine or Cate or Katy or even Katharine — like  a certain Presiding Bishop of a certain mainline denomination) this is your day. No matter which Catherine emerges victorious — of Alexandria or of Siena — you win! Of course after 24 hours one Catherine will be discarded onto the Lent Madness heap of irrelevance. But that’s okay because this is your special day!

In yesterday’s action, Lydia defeated Moses the Black 60% to 40% and will advance to face the winner of Nicholas Ridley vs. John of the Cross.

And if for some (inexcusable) reason, you missed yesterday’s edition of Monday Madness with Tim and Scott, you can watch it here. Basically we DVR it for you so you can watch in peace without pesky commercial interruptions for saintly products like St. John’s Wort or Yves Saint Laurent.

512px-Catherine_of_Alexandria_PacherCatherine of Alexandria

Many legends surround the life and death of Catherine of Alexandria. Tradition tells us Catherine was born at the end of the third century to Roman rulers in Alexandria, Egypt. An incredibly beautiful and intelligent woman, with every privilege at her disposal, Catherine excelled in her studies and developed renown for her ability in the arts and sciences, especially philosophy. As a young woman, she converted to Christianity after a vision of the Blessed Virgin Mary giving her in mystical marriage to Christ.

Some years later, during the persecution under the Roman Emperor Maxentius, Catherine scolded the vicious ruler for killing Christians and for his own idolatry. In response Maxentius gathered together fifty philosophers to engage her in debate. Impressed by her erudition and the force of her arguments, the philosophers converted to Christianity and were summarily burned alive by the humiliated despot. Maxentius jailed Catherine for her insolence. While she was in jail, Maxentius offered to release Catherine if she would marry him. She refused, claiming that she was married to Christ. Later, Catherine converted many in his household, including his wife. The furious hegemon executed his wife and 200 servants and condemned Catherine to death.

The executioners put her to the spiked wheel, but at her touch the wheel shattered and instead killed many of her assailants. Maxentius commanded his soldiers to behead Catherine. When the blade sliced through her neck, milk, not blood, flowed. Legend has it that her body was taken by angels to the Sacred and Imperial Monastery of the God-Trodden Mount of Sinai, which today is commonly referred to as Saint Catherine’s Monastery. Perhaps not coincidentally, this is the same monastery that until the late nineteenth century housed one of the oldest, complete manuscripts of the Bible, the Codex Sinaiticus.

Saint Catherine of the Wheel, as she is sometimes called, was for centuries an important saint in popular piety. She appeared to Joan of Arc, who believed Catherine had been appointed as her advisor. Today she is seen as a patroness to philosophers, girls, librarians, and ironically, people who work with wheels (such as potters, spinners, and mechanics).

Collect for Catherine of Alexandria
O God, by your Holy Spirit you give to some the word of wisdom, to others the word of knowledge, and to others the word of faith: We praise your Name for the gifts of grace manifested in your servant Catherine, and we pray that your Church may never be destitute of such gifts; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who with you and the Holy Spirit lives and reigns, one God, for ever and ever. Amen.

David Creech

catherine of sienaCatherine of Siena

Catherine of Siena is one of the foremost mystics, reformers, and politicians of all saintly history. Born Caterina di Giacomo di Benincasa on March 25, 1347, she was five or six years old when she had her first vision and seven when she vowed to give her life to Christ.

But before she could take any vows, her older sister, Bonaventura, died in childbirth, and her parents wanted her to marry the widower. Catherine said no. She stopped eating and chopped off her hair (in order to thwart her mother’s wishes that she look attractive in order to catch a husband). Successfully staving off marriage, Catherine basically formed a one-woman Dominican order, living an active, prayerful life devoted to quiet service to the poor, while still living with her family.

This irritated her parents, but Catherine was immovable, especially after receiving an encouraging vision from Saint Dominic. Eventually, she prevailed on her parents to let her join a tertiary order of the Dominicans; she remained in quiet contemplation and service to the local community until she was about 21.

Then, there was a turning point. Catherine had a vision of a “mystical marriage” to Christ, and an overpowering sense of God’s love and closeness to all creation. This vision compelled her to join public life and leave her life of solitude.

No longer content to live quietly at home, Catherine became more involved in aiding people, not just through charity but through politics and advocacy. She gained a reputation for wisdom, fairness, and mercy, and her opinion was widely sought. She travelled around northern Italy, advocating for clerical reform and renewal of the church in every place, asking that people themselves, as well as the institution, renew the Body of Christ through the “total love of God.” She organized against the anti-pope—an illegitimately elected rival pope. Catherine urged Pope Gregory XI not to give in to schism but to move the papacy back to Rome from Avignon. She badgered Gregory with letters until he eventually gave in. We might say the squeaky wheel gets the grease, if this didn’t appear to be an endorsement of Catherine of Alexandria.

Pope Gregory XI came to rely on Catherine so much that he sent her as a peace emissary to the warring states of Florence and Rome. Gregory unexpectedly died soon after Catherine arrived in Rome, and riots broke out. In the ensuing chaos, Catherine was nearly assassinated. But she was undeterred and achieved a peace deal a few months later.

The new Roman pope was a fan as well, and Urban VI soon brought her to the papal court in Rome to be his personal adviser. She helped calm the waters during the Western Schism—a split within the Roman church with rival popes claiming to be the true leader. She argued for the legitimacy of Urban in Rome until her death at age thirty-three of a stroke.

Collect for Catherine of Siena
Everlasting God, you so kindled the flame of holy love in the heart of blessed Catherine of Siena, as she meditated on the passion of your Son our Savior, that she devoted her life to the poor and the sick, and to the peace and unity of the Church: Grant that we also may share in the mystery of Christ’s death, and rejoice in the revelation of his glory; who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and for ever. Amen.

Megan Castellan


Catherine of Alexandria vs. Catherine of Siena

  • Catherine of Siena (61%, 3,419 Votes)
  • Catherine of Alexandria (39%, 2,191 Votes)

Total Voters: 5,602

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184 Comments to "Catherine of Alexandria vs. Catherine of Siena"

  1. Ann Garvin's Gravatar Ann Garvin
    March 18, 2014 - 8:04 am | Permalink

    you have the wrong candidates on the ballot today!

    • Sarah Schendel's Gravatar Sarah Schendel
      March 18, 2014 - 11:37 am | Permalink

      It must be Catharine of Alexandria in honor of the fabulous Rubens, “The Crowning of St.Catharine”, gracing The a Toledo Museum of Art. I feel lucky to see this masterpiece regularly.

  2. Susan's Gravatar Susan
    March 18, 2014 - 8:05 am | Permalink

    The VOTE boxes are for Nicholas or John — NEITHER are for Catherine – EITHER Catherine.

  3. Steve P's Gravatar Steve P
    March 18, 2014 - 8:08 am | Permalink

    ERROR! Please correct the voting choices!

  4. Sarah's Gravatar Sarah
    March 18, 2014 - 8:09 am | Permalink

    Ditto Susan.

  5. Mary Ann's Gravatar Mary Ann
    March 18, 2014 - 8:10 am | Permalink

    Ah, the voting boxes are wrong, neither box are for either Catherine. A little too much St. Patrick’s day revelry maybe?

  6. Tom's Gravatar Tom
    March 18, 2014 - 8:12 am | Permalink

    Help! Please avert this crisis of voting. I need to vote for a Catherine this morning, but am faced with Ridley and John.

  7. Lynn Harrington's Gravatar Lynn Harrington
    March 18, 2014 - 8:12 am | Permalink

    Incorrect voting choices! Please give us the two Catherines…

  8. Margaret's Gravatar Margaret
    March 18, 2014 - 8:13 am | Permalink

    Patiently waiting for the correct voting choices to appear before I vote for my favorite Catherine. Of Siena.

  9. Catherine Elaine's Gravatar Catherine Elaine
    March 18, 2014 - 8:15 am | Permalink

    Please correct the voting choices on the website so that we can vote for the Catherine of our choice.

  10. Mary's Gravatar Mary
    March 18, 2014 - 8:17 am | Permalink

    Milk, not blood? Highly unlikely, not to say repulsive. I’m voting for the other Catherine.

    • PhilEsq's Gravatar PhilEsq
      March 18, 2014 - 8:28 am | Permalink

      The “milk of human kindness”, perhaps.

  11. Will the Sexton's Gravatar Will the Sexton
    March 18, 2014 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    Thank you for your prompt response to the voting glitch this morning.

  12. Betsey's Gravatar Betsey
    March 18, 2014 - 8:19 am | Permalink

    Same name, similar greatness in two ladies. For the patroness of philosophers and librarians .. a vote for Catherine of Alexandria.

  13. March 18, 2014 - 8:20 am | Permalink

    Sadly, Catherine’s visit with Dominic happened a hundred years after Dominic’s death.
    Visitation maybe?

    • Kelley Brown's Gravatar Kelley Brown
      March 18, 2014 - 8:32 am | Permalink

      It says vision of St. Dominic.

  14. Kiki Foster's Gravatar Kiki Foster
    March 18, 2014 - 8:23 am | Permalink

    I have lots of Katherines, Katharines and Katys in the family. Strong women all and very determined,

  15. Denise's Gravatar Denise
    March 18, 2014 - 8:25 am | Permalink

    Two great, women, without a doubt, and a tiny bit hard to tell them apart… but in honor of my bookaholic, and intelligent daughter (who is not a Kate, et al), my vote is for C. 0f Alexandria, the patron saint of girls and librarians.

    • Murry's Gravatar Murry
      March 18, 2014 - 8:39 am | Permalink

      As a librarian, who else would I vote for?

      • Diane's Gravatar Diane
        March 18, 2014 - 10:04 am | Permalink

        My thoughts exactly. As a Librarian, I have to go with Catherine of the Wheel.

  16. Susan Fiore's Gravatar Susan Fiore
    March 18, 2014 - 8:25 am | Permalink

    Given Catherine of Siena’s wisdom, and the trust placed in her by not one but two popes, perhaps she should be the patron saint of philosophy and girls! I love the crazy miracle story of Catherine of Alexandria, but choose to vote for the Catherine whose miracle was being taken seriously by the powerful men of her day.

    • Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
      March 18, 2014 - 12:08 pm | Permalink

      Well said, thank you!

  17. Fiona Haworth's Gravatar Fiona Haworth
    March 18, 2014 - 8:25 am | Permalink

    I have voted for Catherine of Siena. Sometime ago I was the chair of governors at a new C of E primary school. We agonised over the choice of a name and the head suggested Catherine of Alexandria. I protested on the grounds she was not historically well attested and that as a role model for young women she left a lot to be desired. In spite of my protestations my views lost out in the voting. The Head teacher bought a copy of a painting of Catherine by Raphael for the school hall. Whilst undoubtedly a lovely image, Catherine looked like a week of wet Wednesday’s. Give me Catherine of Siena any day. She combined mysticism with activism, a devotion to the poor and wasn’t above knocking heads together in the cause of peace.

  18. Ellen Lincourt's Gravatar Ellen Lincourt
    March 18, 2014 - 8:29 am | Permalink

    It was Catherine of Sienna’s call to ””renew the Body of Christ through the “total love of God.”’ that made me able to choose. Even today, we are called to renew the Body of Christ through the total love of God…. So, a message that is eternal to the followers of Jesus.

    • Molly Reingruber's Gravatar Molly Reingruber
      March 18, 2014 - 9:21 am | Permalink

      That strikes me to the core. I would love to meditate on that one sentence today, live it out tomorrow, and proclaim it to the world.

      Was worrying that I made a flip choice with CofA, then remembered, “It’s Lent Madness. It doesn’t really matter who wins, in a sense.”

  19. Mark D.'s Gravatar Mark D.
    March 18, 2014 - 8:31 am | Permalink

    You had me at “furious hegemon.”

  20. March 18, 2014 - 8:33 am | Permalink

    Voted for C. of Alexandria in honor of my Lovely Wife, a Katharina full of learning and a powerful teacher.

  21. Glenis Elliott's Gravatar Glenis Elliott
    March 18, 2014 - 8:38 am | Permalink

    Tough choice again!!!! I finally decided on Catherine of Siena. She began her journey of faith very early in her life and never changed her mind, no matter what obstacles faced her!! Catherine of Alexandria did great things, but her journey seemed a bit easier than Catherine of Siena.

    • Martha's Gravatar Martha
      March 18, 2014 - 10:11 am | Permalink

      How can being thrown in prison and having your head chopped off be an easier journey? Anyone who loses their life for Christ and spreading the gospel gets my vote over someone who dies of natural causes.

  22. Mary Ann's Gravatar Mary Ann
    March 18, 2014 - 8:39 am | Permalink

    Thank you so much for fixing this glitch so fast. I post the link to Lent Madness, along with other devotionals, to my church facebook page. As such I like giving the correct information. Tell us the truth, was there a little too much imbibing of the green ale yesterday?

  23. John Jackson's Gravatar John Jackson
    March 18, 2014 - 8:40 am | Permalink

    If anyone from Richmond, Va is participating in Lent Madness, Catherine of Alexandria is the namesake of St. Catherine’s school.

    • Kathy's Gravatar Kathy
      March 18, 2014 - 10:40 am | Permalink

      that’s good to know -I’m not from Richmond however I am your neighbor down the street in Williamsburg

    • Katherine Grimes's Gravatar Katherine Grimes
      March 18, 2014 - 10:42 am | Permalink

      Actually, the school is St. Catherine’s namesake.

      • Phil's Gravatar Phil
        March 18, 2014 - 10:51 pm | Permalink

        Actually either way is OK. Namesake is defined as a person, place, thing, quality, action, state, or idea that has the same, or a similar, name to another; especially, one who is named after another or for whom another is named. That is the definition given by both the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and the Oxford English Dictionary. I was named for my father, Philip, but it is perfectly acceptable to say that the Apostle Philip is my namesake or vice-versa. Both definitions are acceptable English usage.

  24. March 18, 2014 - 8:42 am | Permalink

    Since I belong to St Catherine of Alexandria Episcopal Church in Nehalem OR – I have to vote for her.

  25. Anne Burton's Gravatar Anne Burton
    March 18, 2014 - 8:43 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Alexandria all the way! I am a spinner (handspinner, on a spinning wheel) and she is the patron saint.

    • March 18, 2014 - 8:59 am | Permalink

      Hi, Anne of Burton! This match up of Kate’s will be interesting- who has the squeakiest wheel- so to speak- to win this smackdown round!

  26. Diane Amison-Loring's Gravatar Diane Amison-Loring
    March 18, 2014 - 8:43 am | Permalink

    As a librarian, I have to go with Alexandria, gory details not withstanding…

    • Fr Bill Loring's Gravatar Fr Bill Loring
      March 18, 2014 - 8:55 am | Permalink

      As the librarian’s spouse I too voted for the Alexandrian, gore and all!

  27. Carolyn Sharp's Gravatar Carolyn Sharp
    March 18, 2014 - 8:44 am | Permalink

    I voted for the African Saint.

  28. Sheila Wheltle's Gravatar Sheila Wheltle
    March 18, 2014 - 8:49 am | Permalink

    Phew….Catherine really needed my vote!

  29. March 18, 2014 - 8:50 am | Permalink

    A martyr for the faith will always get my vote!

  30. Elizabeth Turner's Gravatar Elizabeth Turner
    March 18, 2014 - 8:51 am | Permalink

    Two of my favorite saints but since I’ve seen Catherine of Siena’s head how could I not vote for her?

  31. March 18, 2014 - 8:56 am | Permalink

    Years ago I prayed to Catherine of Siena to see if I should become a nun (Episcopal, obviously). The answer was a clear no, and I’ve been a bit cross with her ever since. So Catherine of the wheel it is. #grudge

    • Molly Reingruber's Gravatar Molly Reingruber
      March 18, 2014 - 9:06 am | Permalink
    • Madeleine Baier's Gravatar Madeleine Baier
      March 18, 2014 - 9:25 am | Permalink

      Hi Marguerite! I’m reminded of a favorite poem by the late great Ogden Nash regarding grudges:
      Any hound a porcupine nudges
      can’t be blamed for harboring grudges.
      Why, I know one hound who laughed all winter
      at a porcupine that sat on a splinter!

      • Jane Cox's Gravatar Jane Cox
        March 18, 2014 - 10:06 pm | Permalink

        There is a summer chapel in Rye Beach, NH which has a stain glass window dedicated to Ogden Nash who was the secretary for 25 years. His signature/caricature can be seen in the lower right portion of the window. I was seated next to it some years ago and was quite surprised. Here’s a link if you want to see it.

        • Jane Cox's Gravatar Jane Cox
          March 18, 2014 - 10:08 pm | Permalink

          By the way, it’s an Episcopal chapel.

  32. David+'s Gravatar David+
    March 18, 2014 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    A vote for the martyr.

  33. Karen Nolan's Gravatar Karen Nolan
    March 18, 2014 - 9:00 am | Permalink

    “Karen” is also a derivative of “Katherine.” And today’s is an impossible choice! Has there ever been a tie?

  34. Mary Novello's Gravatar Mary Novello
    March 18, 2014 - 9:01 am | Permalink

    Hard choice since both are mystical brides of Christ. However, K of A is the subject of a movie due out this year, said to include the last appearance of Peter O’Toole, so I voted for her.

  35. Beth Wheatley Dyson's Gravatar Beth Wheatley Dyson
    March 18, 2014 - 9:01 am | Permalink

    Hi I get the e mail every morning but when I scroll down to vote there is gobbldygook there and no way to vote. Anyone else have this problem Anyway to fix?

    • Giny's Gravatar Giny
      March 18, 2014 - 9:58 am | Permalink

      I have that problem as well. I just click on the link to the comments which takes me right to the website where I can vote. I don’t have an issue with that little problem

  36. Molly Reingruber's Gravatar Molly Reingruber
    March 18, 2014 - 9:03 am | Permalink

    Two Catherines and two mystical marriages?!? What an awesome day. I love C. of S., and hope to visit Tuscany one day to see where she trod, but I was charmed by the nerdy girl, C. of A., for being a philosopher who could convert 50 philosophers, not to mention the wife and household of a brutal dictator. Plus, I can’t wait to hear some quotes or trivia related to her. Amen and bless them both!

  37. Peg's Gravatar Peg
    March 18, 2014 - 9:06 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Alexandria also gives her name to the Catherine Wheel, a type of spinning firework. She was a smart girl and a brave one, too. But Catherine of Siena won me over with the her life of hands-on helping, healing, and unifying. She had a steady and beautiful light all her own.

  38. Walter Gladwin's Gravatar Walter Gladwin
    March 18, 2014 - 9:10 am | Permalink

    I’m a sucker for hard evidence (like writings) as opposed to legend. The wheel left me spinning. I voted for Catherine of Sienna.

  39. Kathy Schillreff's Gravatar Kathy Schillreff
    March 18, 2014 - 9:11 am | Permalink

    I’m a Kathryn and this was hard today. But Catherine of Siena’s diplomatic skills in reuniting the church carried the day for me.

  40. Madeleine Baier's Gravatar Madeleine Baier
    March 18, 2014 - 9:14 am | Permalink

    Difficult choice but in the end, Catherine of Sienna gets my vote. She helped the poor. I’m financially challenged(rich in other ways tho’!). Nuff said.

    • Glenis Elliott's Gravatar Glenis Elliott
      March 18, 2014 - 3:39 pm | Permalink

      I second the comment about financially poor, but rich in so many other ways!!!! Praise to Catherine of Sienna. As I said earlier this is as tough a choice as the others so far. Enjoying a cup of tea in the Golden Halo cup of Frances Perkins’s.

  41. Joy Segal's Gravatar Joy Segal
    March 18, 2014 - 9:16 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Sienna for me today and many days. What a woman! Moving from contemplation to action; advising two popes! What patience, what devotion – to be willing to listen, to learn, to go and do. Wisdom, fairness, and mercy. What a wonderful combination of gifts she offered to the church.

  42. Lynn Harrington's Gravatar Lynn Harrington
    March 18, 2014 - 9:17 am | Permalink

    A thousand thanks for the quick fix so we can vote for the Catherine of our choice. Possibly the glitch was the result of pressure from that glorious St. Paddy’s Day hat you were wearing!!

  43. Madeleine Baier's Gravatar Madeleine Baier
    March 18, 2014 - 9:18 am | Permalink

    Besides, anyone who has the gumption to hack their hair off, whatever the reason, is not lacking in Intestinal Fortitude i.e. Guts. I sure couldn’t do it!

  44. Mary W.'s Gravatar Mary W.
    March 18, 2014 - 9:25 am | Permalink

    Poor Catherine of Alexandria. I was happy to learn about you, but I’m not sure I believe in you. I think it was the milk instead of blood that finally put it over the top. Had to go with the Siena Catherine.

  45. helenstevens's Gravatar helenstevens
    March 18, 2014 - 9:26 am | Permalink

    My vote goes to St. Katarina de Siena. “Be who God want you to be, and God will set you on fire.” h+++

    • JenniferThomasina's Gravatar JenniferThomasina
      March 18, 2014 - 1:06 pm | Permalink

      True that. Just ask Hus (among others).
      Other places quote her as saying “Be who God meant you to be and you will set the world on fire” but both statements carry some serious double-edged truth. Love it.

  46. Derek Wyskiel's Gravatar Derek Wyskiel
    March 18, 2014 - 9:28 am | Permalink

    Easy choice for me today. I went with my elementary school alma mater, St. Catherine of Siena.

  47. Mary UK's Gravatar Mary UK
    March 18, 2014 - 9:28 am | Permalink

    …any woman who can get powerful men to litem to her gets my vote!

    • Mary UK's Gravatar Mary UK
      March 18, 2014 - 9:29 am | Permalink

      litem, perhaps…listen, definitely:)

      • Glenis Elliott's Gravatar Glenis Elliott
        March 18, 2014 - 3:44 pm | Permalink

        Definitely a positive trait!!!! We need more women like Catherine of Sienna. Slowly, I think we are getting them!!!!

  48. John Dieter's Gravatar John Dieter
    March 18, 2014 - 9:30 am | Permalink

    This myth of Catherine of Alexandria is just plain silly …

  49. Elaine Hood Culver's Gravatar Elaine Hood Culver
    March 18, 2014 - 9:32 am | Permalink

    There seems to be more history than legend in the bio of Catherine of Sienna, so she gets my vote today.

  50. Elaine Hood Culver's Gravatar Elaine Hood Culver
    March 18, 2014 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    Correction: Siena. “Sienna” is the minivan.

    • Davis's Gravatar Davis
      March 19, 2014 - 4:02 pm | Permalink

      “Sienna” is the traditional English name of the city. So not wrong, though maybe a little dated these days.

  51. Gary Goldacker's Gravatar Gary Goldacker
    March 18, 2014 - 9:37 am | Permalink

    My oldest daughter is named for Siena so here’s a vote for her!

  52. Linda M's Gravatar Linda M
    March 18, 2014 - 9:43 am | Permalink

    As a potter, I will have to vote for Catherine of Alexandria (Saint Catherine of the Wheel)

  53. March 18, 2014 - 9:46 am | Permalink

    Today, I’ll vote for the reconciler, Catherine of Sienna, who aspired to a total love of God. It was nice getting to know Catherine of Alexandria (even if aspects of her reported story appear to be perhaps questionable) as she is not on our calendar.

  54. Nancy Strong's Gravatar Nancy Strong
    March 18, 2014 - 9:49 am | Permalink

    And my eldest daughter is named for Alexandria (though we spell her name Katharine), and has embraced her patroness whole-heartedly! So, there’s my vote: K/C of A!

  55. Eileen's Gravatar Eileen
    March 18, 2014 - 9:50 am | Permalink

    Thank you for another fantastic matchup! Lent Madness has become my main Lenten activity the past 2 years and I continue to spread your good word! The write-ups and comments form the basis for my daily reflection….. so thank you! For today -anyone that can recognize the beauty and interconnectedness of all creation; broker peace deals; and have the ear of two popes has to get my vote. Speakng as a cradle RC, here’s hoping she can get the ear of Pope Francis regarding women’s ordination. Go C of S!

  56. Rev. Lucy Porter's Gravatar Rev. Lucy Porter
    March 18, 2014 - 9:57 am | Permalink

    I first heard of Catherine of Siena in a seminary class in Christian mysticism, taught by a Methodist clergywoman named Evelyn Newman. She is a wonderful example of the power of a truly God-centered loving life! So she gets my vote!

  57. March 18, 2014 - 9:58 am | Permalink

    St. Catherine of Siena has been one of personal patron saints since college. My vote goes to her.

  58. March 18, 2014 - 10:01 am | Permalink

    I was named for C of A, so this was the easiest Lent Madness vote so far. Whew!

  59. Cate M.'s Gravatar Cate M.
    March 18, 2014 - 10:04 am | Permalink

    As a Catherine who named her first born Alyxandra, I really only have one choice. I love that both women are primarily praised for their intelligence and valued for their opinions in addition to their faith. I’ll cheer on Catherine of Alexandria, but will gladly take up the cause for C. of Siena if she moves to the next round!

  60. Susan's Gravatar Susan
    March 18, 2014 - 10:06 am | Permalink

    I love the way Catherine of Alexandria used her gift – learning – to Gods use after her conversion. And that she never used violence, but fought for herself. It suggests that faith is the weapon, and on it’s own can make us strong. As a scholar (and sometime potter) I have to vote for her. (And as a historian, I don’t worry about the legend – what’s remembered and put into the story is a teaching, a reminder about what faith means.)

  61. Jane Anne Gleason's Gravatar Jane Anne Gleason
    March 18, 2014 - 10:08 am | Permalink

    My church, St Paul’s in Alexandria VA, has a stain glass window above the cross of a a Catherine Wheel, just guess who I had to vote for!

  62. Denise Erickson's Gravatar Denise Erickson
    March 18, 2014 - 10:12 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Sienna – what a gutsy activist! She walked fearlessly into the middle of the mayhem surrounding the Pope and made those bad boys behave. I would vote for her anyway, but I was privileged to visit one of her, um, burial sites (is there a special word for “just her head is there in a shrine”?) in Sienna. The rest of her is interred in Rome. It seems that she was so beloved by both Siennans and Romans that they couldn’t decide who would have the honor of receiving her body.

  63. Lyle Williams's Gravatar Lyle Williams
    March 18, 2014 - 10:13 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Alexandria must have existed; elsewise, we contend that Joan of Arc conversed with imaginary beings. Catherine of Alexandria inspires with her consecration to a greater ideal. Go, Catherine pg the Wheel!

  64. Adam's Gravatar Adam
    March 18, 2014 - 10:18 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Alexandria stood up to the power and held her own, for a time. She converted many to Christianity and fought bravely to the end, how could you not vote for that? I’ll tell you how. Catherine of Siena also stood up to the power (even though it was her parents and not the emperor), she did God’s work among the downtrodden and helped mend the schism in the Church. Another tough decision, good job SEC.

  65. jane's Gravatar jane
    March 18, 2014 - 10:20 am | Permalink

    If I had been K of A and all those people had died because/after I converted them I would have reconsidered my strategy… I vote for K of S.

    • Harlie Youngblood's Gravatar Harlie Youngblood
      March 18, 2014 - 5:58 pm | Permalink

      “Reconsidered my strategy”? How do you convert someone in a time of persecution and yet see to it that they don’t become martyrs?

  66. March 18, 2014 - 10:22 am | Permalink

    I see an unspoken contest here between two schools for girls in New York City: Chapin, whose seal is the spiked wheel of Catherine of Egypt, and the Dominican Academy.

  67. Phil's Gravatar Phil
    March 18, 2014 - 10:24 am | Permalink

    Tough choice! I taught myself how to read when I was three years old and have been reading ever since. So for my love of books and the fact that she was martyred for her faith, I voted for Catherine of Alexandria!

  68. billfleming's Gravatar billfleming
    March 18, 2014 - 10:25 am | Permalink

    Alexandria is beautiful and an apt converter

  69. Duane Larson's Gravatar Duane Larson
    March 18, 2014 - 10:28 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the corrected ballot. At early morn, when I had come to the place where the names were to have been reposed, with my eyes barely opened I had suspected that tomorrow’s candidates had attempted a proleptic act of voter suppression, in the quite reasonable fear that either of them would eventually lose to either of the Cats. Glad to see now that they have been turned back and that the time-space continuum has been restored to its intelligently designed balance.

  70. Bill Geiger's Gravatar Bill Geiger
    March 18, 2014 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    Married to a Kate, this is a conundrum. But my Kate being a librarian by profession, and amateur potter by avocation, the not clearly goes to Catherine of Alexandria, otherwise known as Catherine of the Wacky Wheel

    • Bill Geiger's Gravatar Bill Geiger
      March 18, 2014 - 10:32 am | Permalink

      make that “nod”, not “not”

  71. Emily Agnew's Gravatar Emily Agnew
    March 18, 2014 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    We visited Catherine of Siena’s home in, well, Siena, last year. It was wild to stand in this now very ornately decorated space, and to see the cell she stayed in.

  72. Murray's Gravatar Murray
    March 18, 2014 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Siena would have made a great pope!

  73. Anne E.B.'s Gravatar Anne E.B.
    March 18, 2014 - 10:42 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Alexandria gets my vote.

  74. Cush's Gravatar Cush
    March 18, 2014 - 10:45 am | Permalink

    I changed my mind just before I voted — I should have stayed with CofS who I decided on two weeks before Ash Thursday, oh well… what is that old saw about changing horses in the middle of the stream? LOL

  75. sharon's Gravatar sharon
    March 18, 2014 - 10:52 am | Permalink

    Both ladies are interesting, but I must offer my vote to Catherine of Alexandria as she struck a chord in me, or was it a wheel…..

  76. Laura's Gravatar Laura
    March 18, 2014 - 10:53 am | Permalink

    As a Roman Catholic Lay Dominican (formerly called tertiary), a preacher, and one’s whose collie is named Siena, GO CATHERINE of SIENA.
    I am so heartened to see non-RC Christians voting for her. (Wasn’t sure if her work with Popes would be a turn off. Did I mention I preach as an ecumenical preacher at 2 Episcopal churches? :-). )
    The bio left out her working with ppl who had the plague–although the collect hints at this.

  77. Blair Bickford's Gravatar Blair Bickford
    March 18, 2014 - 10:54 am | Permalink

    Why do I have to go to another site to vote…The FM site that is sent me via email is not active…have to click around until I get the colorful LM site..weird!

  78. Penny Gordon's Gravatar Penny Gordon
    March 18, 2014 - 10:58 am | Permalink

    Gotta go with C of A, I’m a librarian who collects pottery

  79. Bowman's Gravatar Bowman
    March 18, 2014 - 11:01 am | Permalink

    Easy choice.

    Though I bought St Catherine of Siena’s ‘Dialogues’ in Siena, and think them superb, she has far too many facts. Plenty of biography, but not enough legends. So much tedious realism, in fact, that she could be a CEO or a ‘role model’ or something else sadly earnest. Maybe a patron saint of scheming church politicians. No story, no meaning, no point.

    St Catherine of Alexandria, in contrast, has an extraordinary number of legends even for a saint of the C3. Eg the bland example above– ‘As a young woman, she converted to Christianity after a vision of the Blessed Virgin Mary giving her in mystical marriage to Christ.’ A poster hereabouts considers even that one to be so bad that he calls it a ‘myth.’ High praise indeed. Story, meaning, point– St C of A appeals in an alexandrine way to the spiritual imagination. Did we think that this was about anything else? St Catherine of Alexandria.

  80. Gretchen's Gravatar Gretchen
    March 18, 2014 - 11:05 am | Permalink

    I’m a little afraid of what could happen to me if I voted against Catherine of Alexandria.

  81. March 18, 2014 - 11:07 am | Permalink

    As a Catherine who at a very early age was given an icon of Catherine of Siena, I must vote for C of S. My life has not resembled hers, however, having neither visions of a mystical marriage with Christ nor causing any riots of which I am aware. I have not been a personal advisor to any popes … happy voting, everyone!

  82. Leroy's Gravatar Leroy
    March 18, 2014 - 11:10 am | Permalink

    I felt I had no choice but to vote for Catherine.

    • Miss Jan's Gravatar Miss Jan
      March 18, 2014 - 12:32 pm | Permalink

      I see what you did there Leroy.

  83. Debby's Gravatar Debby
    March 18, 2014 - 11:11 am | Permalink

    In the Diocese of Indianapolis we vote regularly for two Bishop “Kates”…spellings are different but both reflect the strength of today’s candidates. Having been fortunate to visit Siena twice, I admit to seeking out the the head of Catherine and insites into her story. Difficult not to vote for a potter, but I cast a vote for Catherine of Siena

  84. Sebastian Morris's Gravatar Sebastian Morris
    March 18, 2014 - 11:15 am | Permalink

    Patron of philosophers and students, who spoke, along with Ss Michael & Margaret to St Jean d’Arc. One of the Fourteen Holy Helpers, and co-patron of St Clement’s, Philadelphia. St Catherine of Alexandria it must be.
    For those grousing about the hagiographies of her life, let me quote Joseph Campbell, “Myth is much more important and true than history. History is just journalism and you know how reliable that is.”

    • Verdery's Gravatar Verdery
      March 18, 2014 - 11:47 am | Permalink

      Love that quote of Joseph Campbell’s! Thanks for posting it.
      Still not quite sure which Catherine gets my vote. Both were strong women and good role models.

  85. Madeleine Baier's Gravatar Madeleine Baier
    March 18, 2014 - 11:21 am | Permalink

    Just a friendly reminder to the SEC that anyone I vote for is in the absence of him who should be in the bracket, namely the wonderful, inspiring, not to mention famous FRED MCFEELEY ROGERS. And no I have no intention of knocking it off. Bet you thought I had. Not a chance, ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! 🙂

    • Miss Jan's Gravatar Miss Jan
      March 18, 2014 - 12:35 pm | Permalink

      I second your motion. Somewhere on the Eastern Seaboard of New England there is an Episcopal Church with a stained glass window of him. It is the parish where he and his wife worshipped when they were at their summer home. The window is near the pew where they sat.

    • Carolyn Sharp's Gravatar Carolyn Sharp
      March 18, 2014 - 2:45 pm | Permalink

      Go Mister Rogers Go!

    • Patty's Gravatar Patty
      March 18, 2014 - 9:34 pm | Permalink

      Yes! Mr. Rogers!

    • Jane Cox's Gravatar Jane Cox
      March 18, 2014 - 10:47 pm | Permalink

      I just put the documentary, “Mr Rogers and Me,” on hold at the library. Perhaps someone will send a copy to the SEC…

  86. Connie Keller's Gravatar Connie Keller
    March 18, 2014 - 11:36 am | Permalink

    Kathryn is an alternative spelling as in my oldest daughter. I had to vote for the one who is patron saint for mechanics.

  87. Gillian B's Gravatar Gillian B
    March 18, 2014 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    My sister is Catherine, and my grandmother was Catherine, so this is a fun contest for me. Since both my parents were librarians, I have to go with Catherine of Alexandria….I also love the church by that name in Manzanita, Or…

  88. Justine's Gravatar Justine
    March 18, 2014 - 11:58 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Alexandria because her story inspires me. Win or lose, her story reveals truths in me I am better for:)

  89. Martha King's Gravatar Martha King
    March 18, 2014 - 11:58 am | Permalink

    If you’ve ever been to Siena, you’ll vote for Catherine of Siena. And perhaps, you’ve seen Catherine’s head there (an object, not a location.)

  90. March 18, 2014 - 12:00 pm | Permalink

    With a daughter named Catherine, I’m grateful that there will be a Catherine going into the second round, particularly since both options spell their names the way we chose for our daughter! Both Catherines are surrounded by some degree of legend, both had visions, both married Christ. My choice is for Catherine of Alexandria. True, her legends seem filled with incredible violence, but as a lover of wisdom I’m drawn to the patroness of philosophy. No real wrong choice here, I suppose, but it’s Catherine of Alexandria for me!

  91. J's Gravatar J
    March 18, 2014 - 12:17 pm | Permalink

    My vote is for Catherine if Siena, hands down. I was educated by Dominican sisters. Their chapel has stained glass windows depicting the Dominican doctors of the church, including Catherine!

  92. Jill Jensen's Gravatar Jill Jensen
    March 18, 2014 - 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Catherine of Alexandria for the win! Not only is she the patron saint of librarians, she has a medieval torture device, a 90’s alt band, fireworks and a crochet stitch indirectly named after her. What’s not to love?

  93. March 18, 2014 - 12:21 pm | Permalink

    I like that the Catherine from Siena left her solitary life to go out into the world and hash it out … she gets my vote today.

  94. Carolyn Fishwick's Gravatar Carolyn Fishwick
    March 18, 2014 - 12:23 pm | Permalink

    My daughter Katie, age 11, told me to vote for Catherine of Siena because she helped people and men in high places listened to her. For me, it was the “overpowering sense of God’s love and closeness to all creation” and her response – and that men in high places listened to her.

  95. Marj's Gravatar Marj
    March 18, 2014 - 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Both are great women of faith. Just had to vote for C of Alexandria. Librarians rule!

  96. Amy Fallon's Gravatar Amy Fallon
    March 18, 2014 - 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Going for Catherine of Siena for her influence on lay spirituality in the Dominican spirit.

  97. Linda T.'s Gravatar Linda T.
    March 18, 2014 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    As someone who has been known to badger clergy, I have to go with Catherine of Siena.

    • Peggy's Gravatar Peggy
      March 18, 2014 - 2:37 pm | Permalink

      Badger clergy?! Perish the thought! 🙂

  98. eve's Gravatar eve
    March 18, 2014 - 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Catherine of Siena is quoted as saying: “All the way to heaven is heaven”. Can’t beat that!

  99. sbnurse's Gravatar sbnurse
    March 18, 2014 - 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Too many people dying with Catherine of Alexandria – have to go with Catherine of Siena. Thank you for this fun way to spend Lent meditations!

  100. Sandra Mueller's Gravatar Sandra Mueller
    March 18, 2014 - 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Both Catherines are great saints.
    We’ve been to St. Catherine’s in the Sinai desert (home of the burning bush) and toured the library there. Many works of art and many rare books have been sent and stored there for safe keeping during the Wars in Europe. I loved the myths and stories of C. of Alexandria and her great faith. And I was almost named Alexandria, so my vote goes to C. of A.

  101. aleathia (dolores)nicholson's Gravatar aleathia (dolores)nicholson
    March 18, 2014 - 2:03 pm | Permalink

    C. of Siena for balancing her calling, duties, and assignments with less fanfare. Nothing against martyrdom, if that’s your thing, but C of Siena got a lot more done with much less drama.

    • Glenis Elliott's Gravatar Glenis Elliott
      March 18, 2014 - 4:06 pm | Permalink

      I so agree.

  102. Kristy's Gravatar Kristy
    March 18, 2014 - 2:21 pm | Permalink

    I have a book that says that C of A was one of Fourteen Holy Helpers and largely discredited in the ’60s, but that C of S was a Doctor or the Church. A scholar who could not write, against the patron of librarians? Even cheating doesn’t help.

  103. Holy Fool's Gravatar Holy Fool
    March 18, 2014 - 3:05 pm | Permalink

    I vote for Catherine……that way I can not lose.

  104. Jude's Gravatar Jude
    March 18, 2014 - 3:10 pm | Permalink

    As a librarian and philosopher, I have to vote for Catherine of Alexandria! I’ve been a fan of hers for a very long time!

  105. Jim Bimbi's Gravatar Jim Bimbi
    March 18, 2014 - 3:15 pm | Permalink

    As a newbie to the universe of Lent Madness I seem to have a knack of voting for the losers in the daily match ups. It’s become quite comforting in a
    way, and somehow appropriate to season, to be found to not be standing with the majority.

    • Mark D.'s Gravatar Mark D.
      March 18, 2014 - 6:21 pm | Permalink

      There’s a lot of that going around, Jim.

  106. March 18, 2014 - 3:47 pm | Permalink

    I like both of these saints a lot, but went with the one from Siena because of her movement from a life of solitude which seemed to have prepared her and grounded her to become an amazing diplomat in a male-dominated political church world.

  107. Madeleine Baier's Gravatar Madeleine Baier
    March 18, 2014 - 3:50 pm | Permalink

    To Miss Jan and Carolyn: thank you, ladies! 🙂 I was beginning to think that mine was the only(or maybe just the loudest) voice who has been nagging the sec about this and your support warms my heart. Just as he did.:-)

    • March 18, 2014 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

      You are NOT alone!!

      • Madeleine Baier's Gravatar Madeleine Baier
        March 18, 2014 - 6:49 pm | Permalink

        Sister, I am glad to hear it I am a survivor of childhood bullying. When I came home with my self esteem in shreds, his calm gentle presence assured me that I have value. Fred Mcfeely Rogers was balm to me in ways that I am discovering to this day. So. This is why I continue to pester the sec! Come on guys, just put this wonderful man in the bracket next year and I will hush up. If you don’t then I hope you enjoy being nagged…

  108. Margaret's Gravatar Margaret
    March 18, 2014 - 4:13 pm | Permalink

    In 2011 – my husband and I went to St. Catherine’s Monastery, saw the burning bush, wonderful pictures, icons and also climbed Mt. Sinai – what an adventure that day was in our trip – I continue to be reminded of it and amazed by how that trip transformed us!!!!

  109. Davis's Gravatar Davis
    March 18, 2014 - 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Virgil Thomson’s lovely of Kenneth Koch’s moving poem “A Prayer to Saint Catherine” [that would be of Siena] is downloadable from iTunes separately or as part of an album of songs of Thomson’s called “Nothing Divine is Mundane.” if you’re on the fence, this just might put the Sienese alternative over the top for you.

    • Davis's Gravatar Davis
      March 18, 2014 - 4:41 pm | Permalink

      “lovely setting”, sorry.

  110. Christine CO's Gravatar Christine CO
    March 18, 2014 - 4:35 pm | Permalink

    As a librarian (and a girl), I also had to vote for C of A.
    I was struck by the fact that both of these saints had visions of a mystic marriage to Christ. It seems to me that many other female saints have had similar visions. It would be interesting to research all the saints who considered themselves to be married to Christ, and figure out if he was ever a bigamist (or trigamist or….)
    Christine, MLS

  111. Kathleen Saville's Gravatar Kathleen Saville
    March 18, 2014 - 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Catherine of Siena is my patron saint…I’ve known this since I was a little girl…and now I know more about why!

  112. Geoff's Gravatar Geoff
    March 18, 2014 - 5:34 pm | Permalink

    My mother was brought up by secular parents so we’ve never been quite sure who her patron ought to be. I’ll be sure to show her these write-ups to help her inform her choice!

  113. Paul Kelley's Gravatar Paul Kelley
    March 18, 2014 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Again two difficult choices but I did vote for Catherine of Sienna since her greater historical data.

  114. Millie Ericson's Gravatar Millie Ericson
    March 18, 2014 - 5:42 pm | Permalink

    With two librarians in the family and an amazing, strong girl granddaughter, I had to vote for C of Alexandria. She’s always fascinated me, even though her stories are a bit mythical! C of Siena is also one of my icons! She’ll most likely take the round and deserves to do so! SHE should have been Pope! So wonderful that we have a PB who is also a strong woman, another of my hero’s and named Katharine. I’m glad I live in this day!

  115. Catherine Schiesz's Gravatar Catherine Schiesz
    March 18, 2014 - 5:44 pm | Permalink

    growing up in a world of Charlottes, I was always told that I was named Catherine for nobody. Now I have two good choices to vote for. Think I’m going with Siena.

  116. Martha Frances's Gravatar Martha Frances
    March 18, 2014 - 5:51 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure I was actually allowed to vote, but my intention was to go w/ Siena. I just can’t deal w/ all the violence in the other Catherine’s life. And anyway, working toward straightening out the papal schism seems to me a good thing.

  117. March 18, 2014 - 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Go Catherine of Alexandria! My mother went to St. Catherine’s in Iowa for high school and I wear her signet ring everyday, which features the wheel and “in pureness and knowledge” in Greek. Because of her I get to be married and have a brain (and use it!)

  118. Judith's Gravatar Judith
    March 18, 2014 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    An active and educated mind, a patron of librarians, girls, philosophers, and spinners? Both worthy, I’m going for Catherine of Alexandria. I will think about her when I get out my spindle tonight, win or lose.

  119. Madeleine Baier's Gravatar Madeleine Baier
    March 18, 2014 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    I’m also really good at badgering, in fact if there was such a thing as a professional badgerer I would make a nice living :-)!!

  120. Dcn. lisa's Gravatar Dcn. lisa
    March 18, 2014 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Another tuffy!!!! I adore books and libraries. My daughter-in-law is a librarian. My middle son adores philosophy and hopes to work it into something for his Masters degree. But…..I had to go w/ Sienna. Her life long call and devotion to a life of faith, her obedience to Gods direction. She just spoke to my heart.

  121. Bev Diaz's Gravatar Bev Diaz
    March 18, 2014 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    I loved these stories but the comments were puzzling. I saw it mentioned more than once that we should vote for one over the other because great men listened to her. Really? Is that how we measure a woman’s success, because she can get men to listen to her? I feel a little sad.

  122. Deb Vandrasik's Gravatar Deb Vandrasik
    March 18, 2014 - 7:59 pm | Permalink

    My vote is for Catherine of Siena. It’s amazing that she was given such a high level of respect and prestige in that era. It also helps that Catherine of the Wheel’s story is incredible in the literal sense.

  123. Chris's Gravatar Chris
    March 18, 2014 - 8:56 pm | Permalink

    As a retired librarian, I have to vote for Catherine o Alexandria. But Maybe Catherine of Siena should be the patron saint of political activists and that would fit me too as a former union activist.

  124. MaurineRuby's Gravatar MaurineRuby
    March 18, 2014 - 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Catherine of Alexandria, for all the bookish, quiet thinkers of the world. And for my mom, who was a librarian for 30 years.

  125. Sister Dorothy of Canfield's Gravatar Sister Dorothy of Canfield
    March 18, 2014 - 9:45 pm | Permalink

    As a third grade confirmandee, I chose Catherine of Siena as my confirmation name. I grew more in admiration as I learned more about her. Thanks for including her in this study.

  126. March 18, 2014 - 9:54 pm | Permalink

    You guys are not making this easy!!!! I love Catherine of Sienna but was fascinated by the story of Catherine of Alexandria. I had to send my vote to “St Catherine of the Wheel” — most interesting lady!!

  127. March 19, 2014 - 1:02 am | Permalink

    Catherine of Siena, hands down. I saw a fabulous one-woman show of her life a couple years ago by Sr. Nancy Murray. It was *really* well done and brought Catherine to life for me: a strong, feisty character who was extremely influential in the reform of the papacy.

    In 1970, she and Teresa of Avila were named Doctors of the Church by Pope Paul VI – the first women to ever be awarded the papally-bestowed title which is given to the theologians who have greatly influenced the church. The Catholic Church has bestowed this title to only 35 persons.

  128. Ginny Rodriguez's Gravatar Ginny Rodriguez
    March 19, 2014 - 1:10 am | Permalink

    Ah! The mystics! They give us new ways to see the gospel of Jesus unfold in unexpected ways. Ways we are mostly unprepared to experience or understand.
    Got to love the mystics! There is always something more to be said for or quietly done for Christ. The mystics tend to do the ‘something more’, whatever it may be.
    I’m voting for Catherine of Alexandria because of the MYSTERY; because of her being the patron saint of spinners (that is, spinning wool into yarn on a WHEEL); because of librarians and philosophers. I am a spinner.

  129. Verdery's Gravatar Verdery
    March 19, 2014 - 1:30 am | Permalink

    Got home late to discover I hadn’t voted yet. So I went for the underdog–must be a better term–and voted for Catherine of Alexandria because I’m a retired library technician and also I thought she could use a little consolation. Gotta admire C of S, though.
    Both of them strong women!

  130. Bob Andrews-Bryant's Gravatar Bob Andrews-Bryant
    March 19, 2014 - 1:39 am | Permalink

    Did our PB weigh in on this one? 😉

  131. Dorine's Gravatar Dorine
    March 19, 2014 - 6:34 am | Permalink

    Well, at 6:30 EDT the voting error has been corrected!

    Both women are admirable and worthy of a saintly crown, so I hesitated over my choice. Catherine of Siena finally won the day. She was a strong woman, taking on leadership to the point of advising even popes in a Church that has for centuries so often seemed misogynistic. Catherine of Siena shows modern women that we can indeed have a place in leadership in the church, and have a positive influence.

  132. Jo's Gravatar Jo
    March 19, 2014 - 6:37 am | Permalink

    Both amazing women! What courage, commitment, loyal, conviction and faith.

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