Frances Joseph-Gaudet vs. John Mason Neale

In the penultimate (we love that word here at Lent Madness) matchup of the first round, it’s Frances Joseph-Gaudet facing off against John Mason Neale. Six names, two saints, only one will emerge victorious and advance to the next round.

Yesterday Vida Dutton Scudder skated to an easy win over F.D. Maurice, 72% to 28%. She’ll face Clare of Assisi in the Saintly Sixteen.

Stay tuned for a special “Tuesday Edition” of Monday Madness in which Tim and Scott wax eloquent(ish) on a variety of Lent Madness topics. It will be epic, as usual.

And finally, if you live in a Super Tuesday state, make your first and most important vote right here at Lent Madness, before heading out to those other polls.

Frances Joseph-Gaudet

Frances Joseph-Gaudet was born 1861 in Holmesville, Mississippi, during the American Civil War. Of Native American and African American parentage, she moved to New Orleans to pursue her education at Straight College. She breathed fire into every aspect of her calling: as an educator, single mother, social worker, principal, philanthropist, and Christian.

Joseph-Gaudet was a game changer in the world of African American prisoners and youth. She sought reform in the conditions and educational opportunities in prisons, and she brought clothes to the incarcerated. Joseph- Gaudet would often attend the juvenile courts, taking responsibility for youth offenders by bringing them into her home. Joseph-Gaudet wrapped these children and mothers in her love and care, giving them a chance at a better life.

When her home became too small for the number of individuals she brought home from the courts, she purchased a small farm that became the Gaudet Colored Normal and Industrial School. Joseph-Gaudet served as its principal until she donated it to the Episcopal Diocese of Louisiana where it remained a school until the early 1950s. The building later reopened as the Gaudet Episcopal Home in 1954, as an African American children’s home. In 1966, it closed its doors permanently, but the proceeds from the sale of the land continues to fund scholarships for African American children pursuing higher education.

Joseph-Gaudet later moved to Chicago, Illinois, where she died on December 30, 1934. The Episcopal Church added Joseph-Gaudet to the calendar of saints in 2006 for her work in bringing a voice to all people—black, white, old, and young—in the prisons of the South.

Collect for Frances Joseph-Gaudet
Merciful God, who raised up your servant Frances Joseph-Gaudet to work for prison reform and the education of her people: Grant that we, encouraged by the example of her life, may work for those who are denied the fullness of life by reasons of incarceration and lack of access to education; through Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen.

— Anna Fitch Courie

John Mason Neale

John Mason Neale, the prince of hymn translators, was born in the shadow of St. Paul’s Cathedral, London, to an evangelical family in 1818. Neale was deeply influenced by the Oxford Movement, which stressed the apostolic character of the Church of England and sought to put it back in touch with its historical roots. Neale’s imagination was sparked by the vision of a church in touch with the medieval past and alive with the beauty of ornament, architecture, and song.

Neale was ordained a deacon in 1841, but his bishop refused to grant Neale a position based on his theological positions. After finally being ordained a priest, Neale was eventually appointed warden of Sackville College, a home for the elderly poor, in 1846. Refurbishing the chapel from his personal funds, he installed open pews, a rood screen, and two candles and a cross for the altar.

The Bishop of Chichester, offended by this “spiritual haberdashery,” inhibited Neale from functioning as a priest. Stymied, Neale threw himself into translating and writing, while also founding the Sisterhood of Saint Margaret. There were multiple riots because of his theological and liturgical beliefs between 1848 and 1866. His inhibition was formally withdrawn in 1863. Three years later, Neale died from exhaustion at the age of forty-eight on August 6, 1866.

Neale believed deeply in imagination and beauty as pathways to the holy. He won the Setonian Prize for Poetry at Cambridge ten years in a row, and while other members of the Oxford Movement had drawn attention to the old Latin hymns, Neale translated them with a beauty and vigor unsurpassed. Furthermore, he was the first to look eastward and to translate hymns from the great store of Eastern Orthodox materials. Neale communicated his faith with doctrines for the mind, beauty for the senses, and songs for the heart.

Collect for John Mason Neale 
Grant, O God, that in all time of our testing we may know your presence and obey your will; that, following the example of your servant John Mason Neale, we may with integrity and courage accomplish what you give us to do, and endure what you give us to bear; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen.

— Derek Olsen

Frances Joseph-Gaudet vs. John Mason Neale

  • Frances Joseph-Gaudet (68%, 4,338 Votes)
  • John Mason Neale (32%, 2,044 Votes)

Total Voters: 6,382

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Francesca [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons
John Mason Neale: “John Mason Neale”. Licensed under Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons

218 Comments to "Frances Joseph-Gaudet vs. John Mason Neale"

  1. Pat Floerke's Gravatar Pat Floerke
    March 1, 2016 - 8:11 am | Permalink

    Prison reform is such an important issue in our own time as well as in the time of Frances Joseph-Guadet. But how on earth did a single mother of Afro-American/Native American descent manage financially with all those kids?! Amazing!

    • Rhonda's Gravatar Rhonda
      March 1, 2016 - 11:14 am | Permalink

      I voted for Madame Joseph-Gaudet.❤️
      I think what she did was astonishing. A great example to live by.

      I do have a place in my heart for Mr. Neale. (Not a big fan of the blue hymnal though)

    • Marah. W 13's Gravatar Marah. W 13
      March 2, 2016 - 12:27 am | Permalink

      Both of them touched my hart and I REALLY could not pick so in the end I looked at the results and saw that Frances j.g was winning so I voted for john m.n to give him some support.

  2. Judy Hoover's Gravatar Judy Hoover
    March 1, 2016 - 8:11 am | Permalink

    I have deep respect for Neale but my heart is tugged to Joseph-Gaudet. She took people into her home and helped youth. What a woman.!!!!!

    • Pat Blair's Gravatar Pat Blair
      March 1, 2016 - 10:35 am | Permalink

      I agree – this is a tough one for me, a long-time choir person!

      • Art's Gravatar Art
        March 1, 2016 - 11:12 am | Permalink

        A pity the biography did not mention some of the hymns he edited: Of the Father’s Love Begotten; O Come, O Come Emmanuel; and All Glory, Laud and Honor.

        • Chris's Gravatar Chris
          March 1, 2016 - 12:47 pm | Permalink

          Thank you!

        • Allison in North Carolina.'s Gravatar Allison in North Carolina.
          March 1, 2016 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

          Very helpful. Swung my vote.

  3. Joyce in Georgia's Gravatar Joyce in Georgia
    March 1, 2016 - 8:12 am | Permalink

    Translating hymns, writing poetry, believing in the imagination and beauty as pathways to God, JM Neale gets my vote.

    • Gil in Georgia's Gravatar Gil in Georgia
      March 1, 2016 - 9:01 am | Permalink

      Amen. This was one of the toughest to call. I’d prefer atie

      • Tracey Henley's Gravatar Tracey Henley
        March 1, 2016 - 9:25 am | Permalink

        I agree completely.

    • Michelle M's Gravatar Michelle M
      March 1, 2016 - 10:16 am | Permalink

      I agree, translating so many of the hymns that touch us today brings beauty and moments close to God to so many of us. It was a tough decision because I greatly admire Joseph-Gaudet and her work but I have to go with Neale today.

  4. St. Celia's Gravatar St. Celia
    March 1, 2016 - 8:13 am | Permalink

    Onward, “spiritual haberdashery.” I’m for beauty and the imagination as a pathway to the holy. Those too are avenues of fire and voice. Take beauty to the prisons along with justice.

    • Laureli's Gravatar Laureli
      March 1, 2016 - 9:56 am | Permalink

      loved the use of “spiritual haberdashery” and I greatly appreciate the Neale struggled in bringing the beauty of God through various symbolism.
      This pairing was a tough one and I know that voting for Neale is going for the underdog but as amazing Gaudet was with her service to the people in physical form we must not forget the spiritual as specs and being able to translate things for the all people to understand is just as awesome a gift.
      Neale got the vote for me today.

      • Violagirl's Gravatar Violagirl
        March 1, 2016 - 10:14 am | Permalink

        Well put; my same thoughts.

        • Carie's Gravatar Carie
          March 1, 2016 - 10:37 am | Permalink

          Agree with both above & my vote went to Neale

      • March 1, 2016 - 11:31 am | Permalink

        So well put, thank you for your comments about our founder!

  5. Tready3's Gravatar Tready3
    March 1, 2016 - 8:14 am | Permalink

    Yes, not a hard choice here; hymns are great, but hers are better

    • Laura B's Gravatar Laura B
      March 1, 2016 - 8:32 am | Permalink

      It was a very difficult choice for me, as I’m a music lover. But her story won me over in the end. #hers4thewin #Isawwhatyoudidthere

    • Michelle M's Gravatar Michelle M
      March 1, 2016 - 10:17 am | Permalink

      LOL. Great pun, Tready3. Thanks for the chuckle.

  6. Paul Ambos's Gravatar Paul Ambos
    March 1, 2016 - 8:17 am | Permalink

    Oh! for the days of liturgical riots!

    • Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
      March 1, 2016 - 8:28 am | Permalink

      and spiritual haberdashery! Right Onward!

      • Lea's Gravatar Lea
        March 1, 2016 - 9:52 am | Permalink

        Spiritual haberdashery. Gotta love that! Still, I voted for Gaudet because of the heroic passion of her mission in the face of insurmountable trials. Neale, although I greatly respect his ideals, was a man and white. Gaudet was black and a single mother during a time when being a single mother basically meant you were a whore. She took that and ran with it and I really have to love that!

        • Geoff McLarney's Gravatar Geoff McLarney
          March 1, 2016 - 12:15 pm | Permalink

          I appreciate your being more transparent than most about assessing their sanctity based on gender and colour. I’m sure Ms Gaudet would be honoured and not patronized at all -_-

  7. Shannon's Gravatar Shannon
    March 1, 2016 - 8:18 am | Permalink

    I only had to read one sentence today to decide! Anyone born in Mississippi, like me, gets my vote!

    • Amy's Gravatar Amy
      March 1, 2016 - 9:09 am | Permalink

      Gotta support our Saints from Mississippi! There aren’t enough of us.

    • Kim on the Bayou's Gravatar Kim on the Bayou
      March 1, 2016 - 11:36 am | Permalink

      Also, she helped youth in Louisiana.

      Lent Madness challenges us to identify what’s important in our lives and Christian faith, and of course our communities (and our home states) are key.

      • Shannon's Gravatar Shannon
        March 1, 2016 - 2:56 pm | Permalink

        I love reading the reasons for voting that people share. Amazing how varied arguments are – even for the same Saint!

  8. Johanne Hills's Gravatar Johanne Hills
    March 1, 2016 - 8:20 am | Permalink

    Neale gave “All glory laud and honor to you Reedemer King” and Come O Come Emmanuel to the English speaking church, his poetry has sustained generations. worthy as his opponent is, I give my vote to the one who gave us words to sing our faith.

    • Onionsauce's Gravatar Onionsauce
      March 1, 2016 - 10:17 am | Permalink

      Thank you, Johanne, for naming the hymns he translated. If I had known Neale was the “All Glory, Laud, and Honor” guy, he would have received my vote.

      • Jim Oppenheimer's Gravatar Jim Oppenheimer
        March 2, 2016 - 2:28 am | Permalink

        Of the Father’s love begotten,
        Ere the worlds began to be,
        He is alpha and omega,
        He the source, the ending He…

    • K.J.'s Gravatar K.J.
      March 1, 2016 - 10:20 am | Permalink

      I voted for Joseph-Gaudet for her gift in mission, but now I wish I had two votes to give.

    • Nancy R's Gravatar Nancy R
      March 1, 2016 - 10:21 am | Permalink


  9. Fiona's Gravatar Fiona
    March 1, 2016 - 8:21 am | Permalink

    I am awed by the story of Frances Joseph-Gaudet, a remarkable woman; her like is sorely needed in reforming prisons today. However, I am casting my vote for John Mason Neale because of his belief in beauty and the imagination as pathways to the holy. I have begun studying for an MA in Theology, Imagination and Culture which is hugely rewarding and full of exciting possibilities. I expect Frances to progress to the next round and will be very happy to see her do so.

    • March 1, 2016 - 11:34 am | Permalink

      Thank you for your vote for our founder, JMN and good luck with your studies. What a wonderful path you are taking.

  10. Harriet's Gravatar Harriet
    March 1, 2016 - 8:22 am | Permalink

    Go Sisters of St. Margaret!!!

    • March 1, 2016 - 11:35 am | Permalink

      Thank you!

      • Geoff McLarney's Gravatar Geoff McLarney
        March 1, 2016 - 12:18 pm | Permalink

        As an introvert, and an associate of a religious order, I’m sorry your quiet witness is so consistently undervalued by the utilitarian bias toward “social work” that prevails here.

  11. Peg S.'s Gravatar Peg S.
    March 1, 2016 - 8:25 am | Permalink

    This was a tough choice for me, but in the end “doctrines for the mind, beauty for the senses, and songs for the heart” drew me to the one I knew would be today’s underdog. I’m another Margaret for John, who would join me in singing praises for the hardworking, generous Frances.

  12. Ellie Tupper's Gravatar Ellie Tupper
    March 1, 2016 - 8:26 am | Permalink

    Neale wrote half my favorite Christmas carols: “Of the Father’s Love Begotten,” “Good Christian Men [now Friends] Rejoice,” “O Come, O come, Emmanuel,” and the eternal Good King Wenceslas. I’ll probably get to vote for Joseph-Gaudet next round. John Mason Neale, a God-loving soul of a poet, today.

    • Rambler's Gravatar Rambler
      March 1, 2016 - 8:36 am | Permalink

      Had I only known that he wrote “Of the Father’s Love Begotten” before I voted… I went with Joseph-Gaudet because of her work with prison reform. Now I feel like I betrayed the author of my favorite hymn. *sigh*

      • Dorothy Johnson's Gravatar Dorothy Johnson
        March 1, 2016 - 8:43 am | Permalink

        I’m feeling that right now! Thought I was voting for Joseph-Gaudet because of her unselfish work but I do love hymns. Might have to ruminate a bit.

  13. Nancy Strong's Gravatar Nancy Strong
    March 1, 2016 - 8:29 am | Permalink

    Tough call…but my vote today goes to the founder of the Society of Saint Margaret, key in the revival of the religious life in the Anglican Community. Early members of the sisterhood practiced nursing among the poor and the elderly, developing such a reputation that the founders of Children’s Hospital,Boston, invited the community to send sisters to run the hospital and provide care to those in need. Once that work transitioned,for decades, the sisters offered nursing care to the people of Roxbury, especially African-American women and their families, and opened a nursing home in that community, Saint Monica’s.
    Today, the Sisters have refocused their energy and their vision on rebuilding their work in Haiti among the poor, in The aftermath of the devastating earthquake…all this, and hymns to sing as well, because of the seed of a vision from an “inhibited” English priest, who was obedient over the course of many years to a bishop and a church threatened by renewal. I am thankful for that witness and its impact upon my own life. (Read more about John Mason Neale, if you can…amazing what he was able to accomplish in a relatively short life)

    • Kate Clark's Gravatar Kate Clark
      March 1, 2016 - 9:30 am | Permalink

      My great aunt was a member of the Sisters of St Margaret. I remember visiting her at the convent at Louisburg Square finding the peace and quiet fascinating. I was also very curious about what her head looked like under the “whimple” (the white bonnet). Thanks for stimulating memories of a brave woman.

      • March 1, 2016 - 11:39 am | Permalink

        Oh how wonderful to read this Kate! Please do find us on Facebook under the Sisters of St. Margaret. We’d love to connect.

    • Marcia's Gravatar Marcia
      March 1, 2016 - 11:43 am | Permalink

      Thank you for expanding the biography! I will certainly do a little research on my own, as I’m pretty sure Joseph-Gaudet will win the day.

    • Carol Miro's Gravatar Carol Miro
      March 1, 2016 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

      I am a graduate of Children’s Hospital School of Nursing, founded in Boston by the Sisters of St. Margaret 10 years after they started the hospital. When I graduated in 1969 it was the 100th anniversary of the hospital and Sr. Susannah’s portrait was on the wall. Neale has my vote, Though Frances Joseph-Gaudet is very impressive.

  14. Kim's Gravatar Kim
    March 1, 2016 - 8:30 am | Permalink

    I related more to Neale, but voted for Frances. I think this election year has me thinking Christianity in action.

    • Megan's Gravatar Megan
      March 1, 2016 - 11:46 am | Permalink

      I’ve been noticing the same thing about my picks – they’ve all been about action and caring. I hadn’t even connected my reactions to the political climate, but I bet that’s a major part of it. Frances gets my vote today.

  15. PhilS's Gravatar PhilS
    March 1, 2016 - 8:31 am | Permalink

    I’m all for social justice, but I’m moved by the beauty of Neale’s poetry and the fact he made so many medieval tunes and thoughts accessible to us all. Music hath charms to move a man’s soul….or words to that effect. The impact of Joseph-Gaudet’s work was limited only by her resources; Neale’s work has no limits.

  16. Betsy's Gravatar Betsy
    March 1, 2016 - 8:31 am | Permalink

    “Neale communicated his faith with doctrines for the mind, beauty for the senses, and songs for the heart.” Sometimes we need those to inspire us to do the work of Joseph-Gaudet. Inspiration wins this time.

  17. Elizabeth Massey's Gravatar Elizabeth Massey
    March 1, 2016 - 8:32 am | Permalink

    John Mason Neale won my heart and my vote. Over 20 hymn texts are attributed to him in the 1982 hymnal – more than for any other author. Famous hymns include Of the Father’s love begotten and Good Christian Friends rejoice with heart and soul and voice, both for Christmas; O wondrous type o vision fair for Epiphany; All glory laud and honor for Palm Sunday; Sing my tongue the glorious battle for Holy Week; Come ye faithful raise the strain for Easter; and many more. He was valiant in his theology and practice, and sadly unappreciated in his time – to the point where he died young of exhaustion. Who better to honor the glorious tradition of Anglican hymns?

    • March 1, 2016 - 10:39 pm | Permalink

      Thank you for listing all those hymns! You swung my vote to the underdog:)

  18. Anne Margo's Gravatar Anne Margo
    March 1, 2016 - 8:38 am | Permalink

    I voted for the underdog, in gratitude for the hymns and carols. But who exactly was rioting? The bishop? Kind of a startling statement just thrown in there without clarification.

  19. oliver eight years old's Gravatar oliver eight years old
    March 1, 2016 - 8:38 am | Permalink

    I voted for Francis because she brought boys home and looked after them.

    • Lindy's Gravatar Lindy
      March 1, 2016 - 9:53 am | Permalink

      I agree with you, Oliver. Plus I have been to Holmesville, Mississippi and my last name is Holmes. This was an easy choice. Anyone who loved children so much gets my vote. The rest is just lagniappe !!

    • Rebecca DB's Gravatar Rebecca DB
      March 1, 2016 - 8:53 pm | Permalink

      Susannah eight years old and I voted for her for the same reason. That was a real commitment to the gospel.

  20. March 1, 2016 - 8:39 am | Permalink

    Both draw my heart and imaginations. This is a tough one!

  21. Claire's Gravatar Claire
    March 1, 2016 - 8:40 am | Permalink

    Had me at “spiritual haberdashery” as that is my main role at my UU church. And riots too? Go J.M.Neale!

  22. JP's Gravatar JP
    March 1, 2016 - 8:40 am | Permalink

    As a single mother, educator in the faith, prison volunteer I had to vote for Frances Joseph-Gaudet. She is an example for all who work with youth and prisoners leading all to Christ.

  23. Kim Morse's Gravatar Kim Morse
    March 1, 2016 - 8:41 am | Permalink

    So hard to choose. Both of these saints speak to why I am Episcopalian. Can we fuse them, please?

    • JustMeJo's Gravatar JustMeJo
      March 1, 2016 - 9:15 am | Permalink

      Thank you, Kim! I am struggling with this, too! I may have to immerse myself in some serious prayer before I make my decision today! And I am choosing NOT to consult the results as the day goes on, so that I won’t be tempted to vote for the underdog. I feel called to make an informed vote on this day!

  24. Jessica's Gravatar Jessica
    March 1, 2016 - 8:44 am | Permalink

    This was, surprisingly, the hardest decision so far this year for me. Although I went with Frances on the grounds of social justice, I must admire anyone accused of “spiritual haberdashery,” and a ten-year poetry prize winner. Beauty and spirituality go well together. Also, Neale’s collect was beautiful Good work, Derek.

  25. Liz Parmalee's Gravatar Liz Parmalee
    March 1, 2016 - 8:45 am | Permalink

    Sorry, I had to vote for beauty. Without beauty, the world would be so much less. Man does not live by bread alone. Neale gets my vote

  26. Charlyn's Gravatar Charlyn
    March 1, 2016 - 8:46 am | Permalink

    My vote goes to J M Neale. The Sisters of St Margarets that he founded are doing today what F.J Gaudet did. They work with the poor in Haiti founded a school, music program for the handicap and work with elderly and infirmed women. They have a jail ministry in the Boston area, educate with music, chapel services, localmeetings, their hospitality mission, retreats and more. Two of the Sisters who are priests may be found celebrating in Boston area churches when needed. They keep their founders goals alive today. Have to support J M Neale.

  27. Maria Jackson's Gravatar Maria Jackson
    March 1, 2016 - 8:47 am | Permalink

    Joseph-Gaudet is ‘naturally New Orleans’. God only knows how many lives she changed and saved. What a blessing! Otherwise as a long time choir member the ‘music man’ moves my heart and we all know ‘he who sings prays twice’. Please bring him back next year.

  28. SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
    March 1, 2016 - 8:50 am | Permalink

    I voted for John–translator of so many of my favorite hymns–
    “Creator of the Stars of Night,”
    “Sing my Tongue the Glorious Battle,” “O Sons and Daughters, Let Us Sing,”
    “O Wondrous Type, O Vision Fair,” “Jerusalem the Golden”–
    to name a tiny portion. And cofounder of the Society of St. Margaret, a group of women who took care of the sick. And persecuted by an ecclesiastical bully!

    Poor man, he doesn’t stand a chance against an African/Native American female social worker.

  29. Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
    March 1, 2016 - 8:51 am | Permalink

    By 8:20 I still had no LM posting so I was forced to go searching so I could tame my nearly out-of-control urges to vote. And then to read of liturgical riots — PHEW! I think I have a taste of that frenzy.

  30. Christie's Gravatar Christie
    March 1, 2016 - 8:53 am | Permalink

    As an educator of middle schoolers in an urban district, the line between prison and education is crossed too often and too easily. I am going to have to read more about Gaudet. My vote is for her. And I will sing as I serve. “Ransom captive Israel, who mourns in lonely exile here.”

  31. TJ's Gravatar TJ
    March 1, 2016 - 8:54 am | Permalink

    I’m a fan of “spiritual haberdashery” but the champion of education and prison reform gets my vote today. Besides, at the end of her life she was a Chicagoan and I tend to vote local.

  32. Jan Hamill's Gravatar Jan Hamill
    March 1, 2016 - 8:56 am | Permalink

    I love Gaudet but my husband’s birthday is on Neale’s feast day…

  33. Nina's Gravatar Nina
    March 1, 2016 - 8:57 am | Permalink

    JMN got my vote, in honor of the wonderful Sisters of St. Margaret.

  34. Sudie's Gravatar Sudie
    March 1, 2016 - 8:57 am | Permalink

    As deacon, I probably should have voted for Frances, but I have been a singer and musician far longer, and without the inspiration of some of the words of J.M. Neale, I might not have heard the call to become a deacon–or had the courage to go forward, so I voted for the poet-priest. Plus, the Sisters of St. Margaret have played a part in my formation. I have a feeling, based on current voting, that I will have another chance to cast my vote for Frances–

  35. Char's Gravatar Char
    March 1, 2016 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    I am currently writing my first icon, and had to vote for the man who “looked eastward.”

  36. Derek's Gravatar Derek
    March 1, 2016 - 8:58 am | Permalink

    Interesting match-up. Do we value social justice or worship more as an act of discipleship? Social justice trumps all in 21st century America. Wonder how the rest of the world would vote? Much biblical warrant for both views.

  37. Kit's Gravatar Kit
    March 1, 2016 - 8:59 am | Permalink

    Hard choice, inspiring stories about each and many good works, but as a chorister, I have to vote for Neale, who has given me so many beautiful hymns to joyfully sing.

  38. Don Stevens-Rayburn's Gravatar Don Stevens-Rayburn
    March 1, 2016 - 9:02 am | Permalink

    So, yesterday was the antepenultimate contest in the first round!

    • Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
      March 1, 2016 - 3:56 pm | Permalink

      yes, antepenultimate.

  39. Ann E's Gravatar Ann E
    March 1, 2016 - 9:06 am | Permalink

    My vote goes to J. M. Neale. The biography gave us a taste of his personality and activities. I’m a fan of spiritual haberdashery and beauty in worship; his doing away with closed pews was daring and right. When I found a list of the hymns he had translated, and realized it contains many of my can’t-do-withouts, – not to mention “Good King Wenceslas” – the choice became easy.

  40. Dutton Morehouse's Gravatar Dutton Morehouse
    March 1, 2016 - 9:09 am | Permalink

    “Spiritual haberdashery” and liturgical riots . . . . Really gets my juices flowing! However, I have yo cast my vote for France’s Joseph-Gaudet – born into slavery and then worked tirelessly to provide real help for the poor and needy. A good example for us to follow today.

  41. NJ's Gravatar NJ
    March 1, 2016 - 9:16 am | Permalink

    I voted for social action in previous LM pairings, but the singer and musician in me goes with Neale. So many hymns come to mind.

  42. Barbara's Gravatar Barbara
    March 1, 2016 - 9:16 am | Permalink

    I’m inspired by the woman who breathed fire into her calling. But my vote goes to the author of some of my favorite hymns, whose work helps us worship in the beauty of holiness.

  43. Scott Knitter's Gravatar Scott Knitter
    March 1, 2016 - 9:18 am | Permalink

    Flanking the west door of our church’s nave are wooden carved figures of Our Lady and St. Anne on the Gospel side and Blessed John Mason Neale on the Epistle side. I simply had to vote for him!

  44. Scott Elliott's Gravatar Scott Elliott
    March 1, 2016 - 9:23 am | Permalink

    What the community does while together in Assembly is what drives and steers the people of God. Social work is good – very good – but the work of the people, in and out of the nave, is better.

  45. Susan C.'s Gravatar Susan C.
    March 1, 2016 - 9:24 am | Permalink

    As I read about Joseph-Gaudet, I was convinced that there could be no better candidate for the Golden Halo than the woman who came out of humble means and against all odds gave all for the poor, orphans, the prisoners, the outcasts, clearly living fully the life to which Jesus called us. On top of that, she lived and worked in the city of my father and grandmother, and now multiple dear cousins. Then I read about John Mason Neale. The music of the Church is what brought me back after a decade away as a young woman. Without it I would not have discovered my church that invites me to go deeper into a relationship with God and also reach out to the poor, the orphans, the prisoners and the outcasts. I relate to the concept of beauty and imagination as a pathway to God, and the fact that this can be so radical that it may inspire multiple liturgical riots. What a force he was!

  46. March 1, 2016 - 9:27 am | Permalink

    Fire breathing ladies who get out there and DO something are my favorites, although I go to St. Margaret’s Episcopal Church and love Neale’s words. I voted for Frances and am already worried about the rounds of 16 and eight when all my favorites are going to be opposing each other.

  47. David Mitchell's Gravatar David Mitchell
    March 1, 2016 - 9:28 am | Permalink

    All glory, laud, and honor is what drew me to the Episcopal Church, but Joseph-Gaudet faith and commitment won me over on this challenge.

  48. Holly's Gravatar Holly
    March 1, 2016 - 9:31 am | Permalink

    John Mason Neale wore himself out contending for beauty and traditional Christianity. In this era of warehouse churches and trite praise music, the church needs his witness.

  49. Anthony Lee's Gravatar Anthony Lee
    March 1, 2016 - 9:34 am | Permalink

    It seems like I always pick losers (more places than here), but Neale appeals to me for several reasons. Primarily for his marvelous translations of hymns (over 20 listed in H82: Jam lucis orto sidere; Rer­um De­us ten­ax vi­gor; Rector potens, verax Deus; O Lux beata Trinitas; and on and on), which I have loved for decades; but also for his work with the elderly poor (with which I closely identify), and for causing riots (!!) with his liturgical beliefs (“spiritual haberdashery” indeed!).

  50. Corey's Gravatar Corey
    March 1, 2016 - 9:38 am | Permalink

    Neale would have had my vote any other day, but Gaudet is my favorite “discovery” this lent. Being excited and inspired by a saint you’ve only just learned about is too great an experience to vote otherwise.

  51. Bruce Marshall's Gravatar Bruce Marshall
    March 1, 2016 - 9:39 am | Permalink

    The short note about John Mason Neale seriously understates his importance to the Episcopal Church we know today. Readers should have been re3minded that when the Latin mass was translated into English by the 16th century Reformers, the music of the Latin hymns was almost entirely abandoned, along with the use of candles on the altar and incense , all of which were considered too “Popish”. The anti-Roman sentiment in the English and American churches continued until late in the 19th century. The Oxford Movement reclaimed both the ritual and much of the music of the early church and made it accessible to modern worshipers in a form that could be understood and enjoyed. John Mason Neale was a central figure in the liturgical development of the late 19th and 20th centuries that we have come to take for granted. His influence continues to be felt in every parish throughout the seasons of each year and is deserving of recognition.

    • Linda Brown's Gravatar Linda Brown
      March 1, 2016 - 10:06 am | Permalink

      Thank you, Bruce, for augmenting today’s information on Neale!

  52. Tammie's Gravatar Tammie
    March 1, 2016 - 9:41 am | Permalink

    My choice today was highly personal in that I share JMN’s attraction to “high church” liturgical practices, and my spiritual journey is gloriously paved with the words of many, many precious hymns. His translation work continues to impact Christians around the world, especially those who worship in English–so come on choir members – vote for the man whose inspiration breathed life into some of your favorite hymns!

  53. Helen Webster's Gravatar Helen Webster
    March 1, 2016 - 9:51 am | Permalink

    The beauty of the hymns and their impact on us as we sing them cannot be denied. I wonder how many descendants of the boys, children, and adults helped by Joseph-Gaudet went out into the world alive, healthy, educated and became seeds of the same belief that we are our brothers keeper- that we are called by Christ to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless and give hope to the hopeless by bringing the Christ into their lives. Wish there were some way to research this. Christ calls us to action, not just to praise him and soothe ourselves with the beauty of Church music. I have to vote for this very giving woman.

  54. March 1, 2016 - 9:52 am | Permalink

    I see that Frances is already way ahead of John. So typical of our liberal religion, who will always vote for the black single mom social worker that doesn’t even mention God in her bio. So I’m voting for John who really worked for the church so hard he died of exhaustion at age 48. Now I’m going out to vote for St. Trump.

    • Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
      March 1, 2016 - 10:03 am | Permalink

      Dear God! Spare us!

    • SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
      March 1, 2016 - 10:22 am | Permalink

      St. Trump? Did I miss something somewhere?

      • Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
        March 1, 2016 - 4:09 pm | Permalink

        Would that we could all miss St. Trump!

  55. Lore's Gravatar Lore
    March 1, 2016 - 9:54 am | Permalink

    Prison reform is definitely top of the list going along with sealing records of non repeat non violent offenders so that they can lead whole full lives but let’s not forgot beauty within the church. The hymns and music lend to one’s contemplation of the All mighty. I voted for beauty this time.

  56. Frances's Gravatar Frances
    March 1, 2016 - 10:00 am | Permalink

    Being a Frances, also born close to the shadow of St. Paul’s, tough call! But Frances was such an extraordinary woman, she gets my vote.

  57. Sandy's Gravatar Sandy
    March 1, 2016 - 10:00 am | Permalink

    As I read about Frances Joseph-Gaudet, I know that I would be voting for this amazing woman who lived the true spirit of Christianity in such an exemplary way. Then I read “Neale believed deeply in imagination and beauty as pathways to the holy” and the lovely collect, and J M Neale had my vote with little angst. I’m still a little surprised. Now reading the comments and which hymns are his, I’m especially glad to have voted for him.

  58. junebuggin's Gravatar junebuggin
    March 1, 2016 - 10:03 am | Permalink

    As a choir soprano and a lover of all things related to music, I really wanted to vote for Neal and feel a bit bad for not choosing him, but the educator and woman in me admires Frances so much. To accomplish what she did as a woman of color in those times is nothing short of miraculous.

  59. Edmund of Franklin's Gravatar Edmund of Franklin
    March 1, 2016 - 10:10 am | Permalink

    As a John Mason Neale fan, I was disappointed with the biography presented. It did little to point out his remarkable work with the poor, and that the Sisters of St Margaret originally started out working in poor people’s homes during plagues, inspired by Neale. It would have also benefited by listing by name just a few of the remarkable hymn text’s he wrote or translated. In short, I think that he was underrepresented.

  60. March 1, 2016 - 10:10 am | Permalink

    My church follows the principles of the Oxford movement and has for much of its 150 years. Neale has my vote, even though I am a huge supporter of prison reform too. Tough call.

  61. Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
    March 1, 2016 - 10:12 am | Permalink

    Please, ca someone PLEASE explain to me the reccuring reason/thought process/rationale that is behind looking ot see who’s losig and voting for “the underdog”?

    • SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
      March 1, 2016 - 10:25 am | Permalink

      They’re all saints, all are worthy, so what’s wrong with championing the “least of these”? It’s Lent MADNESS!

    • Scott Knitter's Gravatar Scott Knitter
      March 1, 2016 - 10:33 am | Permalink

      I tend to have a hunch who is going to be popular and I vote for the other one (usually). It feels subversive in a fun way. I do the same with my measly proxy votes based on shares I own of companies. When their annual meetings are approaching, I go in and vote the opposite of the board of directors recommendations on every single position and question. I don’t do this in actual public elections nor expect ever to swing a vote with my shenanigans.

    • Kathy in Nicaragua's Gravatar Kathy in Nicaragua
      March 1, 2016 - 5:15 pm | Permalink

      I only do that if I totally want to vote for both saints (but am faithful to the rules — only one vote per voter!). That way I CAN vote for both — I can vote for the underdog first, and then for the winner in the next round.

      • Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
        March 1, 2016 - 10:37 pm | Permalink

        interesting way of looking at it — better than some, for sure

        • Harlie Youngblood's Gravatar Harlie Youngblood
          March 2, 2016 - 7:26 am | Permalink

          The point of Lent Madness isn’t to actually elect anyone, but to learn about the saints and to have fun. Sometimes when I vote I give serious thought to both candidates then choose the one I believe has had more impact on the life of the Church and the world.
          At other times my vote is decided by what my middle name is, or some other frivolous reason. In Lent Madness there are no rules about voting (except for “Vote Only Once”, brutally enforced).

          • Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
            March 2, 2016 - 8:27 am | Permalink

            That makes sense and sound reasoning. Unklike “I’m voting for the underdog”.

  62. Anne E.B.'s Gravatar Anne E.B.
    March 1, 2016 - 10:14 am | Permalink

    Neale for me today.

  63. Andrea's Gravatar Andrea
    March 1, 2016 - 10:25 am | Permalink

    Another Mary vs Martha situation. Usually I side with Martha. I think she just has bad pr. Somebody has to “do the dishes.” This time I am voting with “Mary”—Neale. All the doers need the beauty of environment, music, and words to feed their souls and keep them centered in God.

    • SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
      March 1, 2016 - 10:29 am | Permalink


  64. Catherine's Gravatar Catherine
    March 1, 2016 - 10:28 am | Permalink

    I voted for Frances because we talked about busting through barriers in EfM last night.

  65. Adelaide Kent's Gravatar Adelaide Kent
    March 1, 2016 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    The struggle for justice has its own beauty.

  66. Lisa Rose's Gravatar Lisa Rose
    March 1, 2016 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    Ugh! Another apples vs. oranges contest! But much as Neale’s bio makes my grateful heart sing, I have to stand by the Mississippi girl (my home by choice) … to do what she did would have been tough enough for any woman in that time and place, let alone one who would have been shunned by most in the white, black, and red communities. Wow! You go girl!

    • Davis Dassori's Gravatar Davis Dassori
      March 1, 2016 - 7:06 pm | Permalink

      Would you have followed your singing heart if Neale had been from Mississippi?

  67. Joe Stroud's Gravatar Joe Stroud
    March 1, 2016 - 10:34 am | Permalink

    Toughest call among many other tough calls during this season of Lent Madness. As a church “musician” (and I use that term loosely), I am drawn to Neale and on another day might vote differently, but today, Joseph-Gaudet gets this criminal defense lawyer’s vote. Her advocacy for those who our society generally wishes would just go away carries this day. Recognize that those “bad” people are created in God’s image just like us “good” people? See the need and address it? What a concept! What an example!

  68. Patricia's Gravatar Patricia
    March 1, 2016 - 10:35 am | Permalink

    Even though i am a Director of Music Ministries, I have to vote for Frances – she reached to the poor and the lowly at a time when such activity was not common. Well done, good lady!

  69. Mary W.'s Gravatar Mary W.
    March 1, 2016 - 10:35 am | Permalink

    Thanks to all those who posted WHAT Neale translated. Some of my favorites are in there. Despite my love of music and the inspiring writeup, however, I have to go with Joseph-Gaudet, because she got things done despite all the roadblocks against her.

  70. Mary Phinney's Gravatar Mary Phinney
    March 1, 2016 - 10:37 am | Permalink

    I was for Joseph-Gaudet until I checked to see what hymns Neale wrote. Why weren’t some included in his bio?
    So much beauty has come to us through him. He gets my vote.

  71. Nancy Jo's Gravatar Nancy Jo
    March 1, 2016 - 10:42 am | Permalink

    Frances sold me when I read she was a social worker.

  72. March 1, 2016 - 10:47 am | Permalink

    I was leaning toward Frances, but I decided to go with Neale because I feel closest to God during service when singing hymns, so thanks, Neale, for providing me with a bit of Heaven during the liturgy!

  73. Sue's Gravatar Sue
    March 1, 2016 - 11:04 am | Permalink

    I feel like I am the only person on the face of the earth who does not like hymns or sung liturgy. Ita fiat. I am very grateful that my church has an 8:00 service on Sundays which celebrates the Rite I spoken mass with no music. This encourages me to concentrate on the liturgy without wondering if I’ll be able to actually sing the hymns.
    Joseph-Gaudet got my vote for the way she preached the Gospel of our Lord in her actions. While music and poetry are very important in life, I believe that physical needs must be met before the beauty of hymns or poems can be fully appreciated.

    • Alethea Eason's Gravatar Alethea Eason
      March 2, 2016 - 12:48 am | Permalink

      I am not a singer. I would love to have just a spoken mass but my church is little and only one service.

  74. March 1, 2016 - 11:05 am | Permalink

    My heart is moved by Gaudet, but I have to vote for beauty. Art, artists, music, poetry – these are all foundational to a life of both prayer and of action. We take these things as society too much for granted, or discount their importance entirely. It is a great artistic and religious tradition for the “outsiders” to take up the voice of the people and to give it shape, form and music. It is amazing how much oppression there is from simply expressing thought and belief. I am grateful to Neale for taking a stand and for persevering in his work.

    • Verdery's Gravatar Verdery
      March 1, 2016 - 12:05 pm | Permalink

      Myra, you articulated what is in my heart. Beauty is often overlooked–and has been overlooked–as an important part of human life. It slips in through the eyes and ears and goes straight to the heart. A person’s age may change the idea of what is beautiful, but beauty itself is universal.
      And lest we start thinking that music plays no part in efforts toward social justice and concern for others, remember “We Shall Overcome” is based on a hymn.

  75. Linda Burnett's Gravatar Linda Burnett
    March 1, 2016 - 11:12 am | Permalink

    Again, you had me at social worker!

  76. Marilyn D's Gravatar Marilyn D
    March 1, 2016 - 11:13 am | Permalink

    Thank you for introducing me to Vita Dutton Scudder and Frances Joseph-Gaudet. I am glad to make the acquaintance of these two powerful women.

  77. Lee Greenawalt's Gravatar Lee Greenawalt
    March 1, 2016 - 11:29 am | Permalink

    In the struggle between forms of religion and personal taking in the downtrodden, I must go with Gaudet. Neale’s work may be better known by more people as the hymns he translated are sung, Being worn out in 40 years is worthy of a Martyr’s crown, The Golden Halo goes to one born in the lowest, but rose above in order to help others in lowly estate.

  78. Christine's Gravatar Christine
    March 1, 2016 - 11:31 am | Permalink

    What a tough choice. Today for the first time I’m going to visit a prisoner in our local prison as part of our church group, so I voted for Frances-Gaudet. She really exemplifies what a Christian life should be. The hymns translated by Neale are among the most beautiful, and really move my soul. Wish I could vote for him, too.

  79. Priscilla Promise's Gravatar Priscilla Promise
    March 1, 2016 - 11:34 am | Permalink

    As a member of a church that now meets in a community theater (St. Alban’s, Arlington, TX) because our former church home was taken away by an”orthodox” Anglican bishop, I know and appreciate the importance of making holy space each Sunday, and I experience the power of music to create that worshiping and rejoicing atmosphere. I had to cast my vote and give thanks for Neale, while also appreciating Gaudet’s important work.

  80. Lucy Porter's Gravatar Lucy Porter
    March 1, 2016 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    It is the hymns of the church that grabbed me for God at a very early age, taught me theology long before I went to seminary, and continue to educate and sustain my spiritual and practical life!

  81. Jen E. Ochsner's Gravatar Jen E. Ochsner
    March 1, 2016 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    One has to admire Frances for her good works, but the very special hymns translated by Neale inspired me to vote for his contributions. Creator of the Stars of Night, Of the Father’s Love Begotten etc., add so much to our worship!

  82. Jennifer Franz's Gravatar Jennifer Franz
    March 1, 2016 - 11:37 am | Permalink

    Although I have incredible respect for the work of Ms. Scudder, I just cannot resist a man who made such a major contribution to the wonderful music we have in the church. Admitted bias: Also a long-time choir singer.

  83. Jenny's Gravatar Jenny
    March 1, 2016 - 11:38 am | Permalink

    What Frances Joseph-Gaudet did is amazing and yet, so many of the wonderful saints that we have seen so far have also done amazing things for the poor and disadvantaged. What Neale did is a different type of amazing, one that we haven’t been able to honor too much in this year’s contest and so I am voting for him.

  84. Jennifer Franz's Gravatar Jennifer Franz
    March 1, 2016 - 11:39 am | Permalink

    OOPS! Wrong contestant, sorry. Brain is on major virus – apologies.

  85. Nyc's Gravatar Nyc
    March 1, 2016 - 11:40 am | Permalink

    I voted for Mr. Neale today and I thank God for the blessings of the Oxford Movement that influenced him. As, oft the only Anglo-Catholic in the room, I am greatful for the sacrifices he made for his commitment to a liturgical experience that open us up fully to the experience of God.
    In the next round, I will have the opportunity to vote for Madam Frances and her inspired work with disenfranchised.

  86. Kimba's Gravatar Kimba
    March 1, 2016 - 11:46 am | Permalink

    I voted for Neale in honor of my husband and everyone who has been delayed in their process to ordination but persevered in their call.

  87. Patsy's Gravatar Patsy
    March 1, 2016 - 11:46 am | Permalink

    Another struggle. Perhaps I’m remembering through rose colored glasses, but I don’t recall the choices being so difficult in last year’s early rounds. How not to choose a writer of such incredible hymns, which should have been mentioned by name in the bio? How not to choose a woman who dedicated her life to prison reform, going so far as to house the former prisoners. I went with Frances.

  88. Meredith Hales's Gravatar Meredith Hales
    March 1, 2016 - 11:46 am | Permalink

    I certainly admire the faith in action Frances, but this long time choir member and grateful lover of the Oxford Movement, had to vote for Neale.

  89. Mariana Bauman's Gravatar Mariana Bauman
    March 1, 2016 - 11:48 am | Permalink

    I have discovered, (partially through Lent Madness), that there have been many astonishing people who have done amazing things despite a background of poverty and/or discrimination. Some of their contributions last for many years. How does one weigh those contributions to our civilization or our lives , trying to live out our Baptismal Vows? Gaudet is an inspirational figure. Neale’s contributions are transcendent. My vote is for Neale.

  90. Cheryle Cerezo-Gardiner's Gravatar Cheryle Cerezo-Gardiner
    March 1, 2016 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    Neale’s love of music and beauty in our worship make him near and dear to my heart, but Joseph-Gaudet’s love of the poor and imprisoned won my vote.

  91. Wynne Osborne's Gravatar Wynne Osborne
    March 1, 2016 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    I have to vote for John Neale. I love to sing hymns and note his name often. Frances is quite saintly and I would have no trouble voting for her. This looks like a difficult bracket.

  92. Sr. Faith Margaret's Gravatar Sr. Faith Margaret
    March 1, 2016 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    Had to vote for the founder of the Sisters of St. Margaret.

  93. Susu's Gravatar Susu
    March 1, 2016 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    I knew I was voting for the underdog but being in the arts all of my life prompted me to vote for Neale. And the beauty of Episcopal churches has always touched my heart,
    ‘haberdashery’ or not.

  94. March 1, 2016 - 11:55 am | Permalink

    It should come as no surprise that we Sisters are voting for our founder, John Mason Neale! It is difficult to describe him in a short biography, even so well written as the one above. As Project Canterbury’s biography of JMN remarks, “Neale was so many-sided that it is difficult to cram him into a pint pot.” ( JMN was a famed hymnologist, author of History of the Holy Eastern Church in two volumes and A History of Pews, as well was stories for children and numerous other pamphlets and publications. I’m sure you all know the Christmas Carol “Good King Wenceslas.” Well, not only did he write it, he lived it. He was certainly not a king – he was warden of a home for the indigent elderly, which paid very little – but he did look out and see the needs of those living in poverty in his area and seek to address them. He founded our order, the Society of St. Margaret, in order to care for the sick in their own homes and to tend to anything else there that needed attention along the way. We continue to thrive and grow and seek to do “everything for God alone, to his greater glory and more perfect love.”

    • Christine's Gravatar Christine
      March 1, 2016 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

      Have a great affection for the Sisters of St. Margaret as they founded the nursing school at Children’s Hospital Boston, my alma mater! JNM sounds to be a remarkable, faithful man- thanks for the additional information.

    • Ellen's Gravatar Ellen
      March 1, 2016 - 3:59 pm | Permalink

      @Sisters of St. Margaret I will be visiting your website probably often! What an inspiration!

    • Slugger's Gravatar Slugger
      March 2, 2016 - 1:37 am | Permalink

      Wow! Why wasn’t this in the bio? I wish I had voted for J. M. Beale.

  95. Joyce Gearhart's Gravatar Joyce Gearhart
    March 1, 2016 - 11:57 am | Permalink

    This isn’t a fair match up! Pitting a woman with such a hard luck story who did great things for her people is too different from a religious man who had conflicts with the church hierarchy. To really compare such absolutely different practices of faith and determination is just not fair to either one.

    • March 1, 2016 - 12:09 pm | Permalink

      Lent Madness, like life, is not fair.

      • Geoff McLarney's Gravatar Geoff McLarney
        March 1, 2016 - 12:11 pm | Permalink

        I understand that, but if the whole thing is to be rigged from the get-go why bother with the formality of voting?

        • Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
          March 1, 2016 - 4:04 pm | Permalink

          Rigged? What’s rigged, pray tell. ya make your choice and ya votes.

          • Geoff McLarney's Gravatar Geoff McLarney
            March 1, 2016 - 11:38 pm | Permalink

            We obviously have seen by now that people’s “choice” will generally be to vote for whichever HWHM worthy ticks off the most “diversity” boxes rather than based on any respect for the many diverse forms saintly witness can take. If I’ve figured it out after only a couple of years of playing then even more would Tim and Scott, who have been here from the beginning, have had to know that by putting J.M.N. up against F.J.G. they were foreordaining him to a one-round appearance.

            We’ve had a series of heavily skewed matchups now that the SEC have tried to play off as “part of the madness”, as if there were something quirky or daring about being absolutely bloody predictable. I don’t think anyone should be happy that “contestants” are winning by margins of 3-to-1. It says more about bad about our lack of imagination than about the merits of either saint. And I would suggest if you find, as some have commented openly, that the choice is not difficult, you’re not trying hard enough. (Conversely, I’m grateful to those who expressed that it was a hard match-up).

            In postulancy committee jargon, I’m an INTP. We can’t all be strong black women who stand up to The Man in dramatic ways: our poets, mystics, and hermits are valuable too. Many members, one body. Most mornings, I can tell who’s going to “win” before the first comment is left. So my question stands: why vote?

  96. aleathia (dolores) nicholson's Gravatar aleathia (dolores) nicholson
    March 1, 2016 - 12:01 pm | Permalink

    I was getting a tad antsy when Oliver Eight Years didn’t lead off in the Comments section and finally, we read his choice. My choice was based on a basic needs assessment: it’s hard to sing when your stomach is growling from hunger…when the plastic bag over your head and shoulders is no longer protection from the elements and so on and so on. Frances tended to those unable to do for themselves in many ways that were long-lived and based on Jesus’ command: FEED MY SHEEP.

    • Scott Knitter's Gravatar Scott Knitter
      March 1, 2016 - 12:18 pm | Permalink

      The classic false dichotomy: why are we singing hymns when there are hungry people? There is not and need not be conflict between these two. The church glorifies God in worship and is in turn equipped and fed to take God’s love and mercy to the world. Which makes today’s choice so difficult. Many here, I’m sure, would love to vote “Both of the Above.”

      • SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
        March 1, 2016 - 1:48 pm | Permalink


  97. RHL's Gravatar RHL
    March 1, 2016 - 12:02 pm | Permalink

    John Mason Neale ministered to the elderly poor. He founded an order of nuns who ministered to the downtrodden even to our won day. He suffered persecution at the hands of bishops. There are 40 plus hymns of his in the church’s hymnal. He educated his daughters especially on languages and involved them in the work of translation. He fills my heart with joy on St Stephen’s Day with “Good King Wenceslaus”. His impact is much greater than is opponent.

  98. Phil Kober's Gravatar Phil Kober
    March 1, 2016 - 12:03 pm | Permalink

    As a musician, I cannot vote for anyone but John Mason Neale. I could listen to and sing his hymns all day long!!!! And I would bet that “O Come, O Come Emanuel” and “Christ is Made the Sure Foundation” are favorites among people here, and many, many more!!!!!

  99. Carol Buckalew's Gravatar Carol Buckalew
    March 1, 2016 - 12:08 pm | Permalink

    A really difficult choice today but I finally voted for Neale.
    Thanks for all the comments. They really enhance the Lent Madness experience.

  100. Geoff McLarney's Gravatar Geoff McLarney
    March 1, 2016 - 12:10 pm | Permalink

    I know there’s no chance for the white dude but I had to vote for the man who reintroduced Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament to the Church of England.

    • SusanLee's Gravatar SusanLee
      March 1, 2016 - 1:44 pm | Permalink

      Haha, Geoff! White dudes always lose in Lent Madness! I’ve noticed that, too!

      • Kathy in Nicaragua's Gravatar Kathy in Nicaragua
        March 1, 2016 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

        Just as a matter of record — 4 of the 6 Golden Halo winners have been white dudes.

        • Fr. Bill Loring's Gravatar Fr. Bill Loring
          March 1, 2016 - 11:41 pm | Permalink

          True, but (I ask this seriously, I don’t recall) whom were they paired against?

  101. Linda from St. Ed's's Gravatar Linda from St. Ed's
    March 1, 2016 - 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Not being familiar with Joseph-Gaudet, I originally assumed that I’d vote for Neale, the translator of some of my favorite hymns. After reading about her, I was so touched by her efforts on behalf of prisoners that she got my vote. “…I was in prison and you came to me.” (Matthew 25:36) Especially after doing some further reading and finding out that she held prayer meetings for African American prisoners, I was sold. What a wonderful witness.

  102. Glenda's Gravatar Glenda
    March 1, 2016 - 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Is it just me , or do the match ups seem harder to choose from this year ? I find myself haveing a very hard time with a few of these.

  103. Mollie's Gravatar Mollie
    March 1, 2016 - 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Nearly impossible choice! But hymns have saved my life more than once, and I would gladly march to a liturgical riot. I’m not surprised the most worthy Frances is winning, and will be glad to see more of her, but the long-suffering Fr. Neale has my vote today.

  104. John Lewis's Gravatar John Lewis
    March 1, 2016 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Henceforth whenever I sing Neale’s beautiful hymns and hymn translations, I will ask Blessed Frances to intercede for us at the Throne of Mercy. And yes, I am thinking of the primary here in Texas, when allegedly Christian candidates vie with one another in bloodthirstiness and cruelty merely to win votes for themselves. They have their reward. Matthew 25.

    • Yvonne's Gravatar Yvonne
      March 1, 2016 - 1:31 pm | Permalink

      Amen, amen and amen.

  105. John Lewis's Gravatar John Lewis
    March 1, 2016 - 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Can’t resist adding this practical joke attributed to Neale: [Neale] was invited by Mr. Keble and the Bishop of Salisbury to assist them with their new Hymnal, and for this reason he paid a visit to Hursley Parsonage [Keble’s residence]…[Keble] related that having to go to another room to find some papers he was detained a short time. On his return, Dr. Neale said, Why Keble! I thought you told me that the Christian Year was entirely original! Yes, he answered, it certainly is. Then how comes this? And Dr. Neale placed before him the Latin of one of Keble’s hymns for a Saint’s day—I think it was for St. Luke’s. Keble professed himself utterly confounded. There was the English, which he knew that he had made, and there too no less certainly was the Latin, with far too unpleasant a resemblance to his own to be fortuitous. He protested that he had never seen this original, no, not in all his life! etc. etc. After a few minutes, Neale relieved him by owning that he had just turned it into Latin in his absence.

    • Mollie's Gravatar Mollie
      March 1, 2016 - 12:33 pm | Permalink

      Oh, wonderful!

  106. Elaine's Gravatar Elaine
    March 1, 2016 - 12:47 pm | Permalink


  107. Patty's Gravatar Patty
    March 1, 2016 - 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Although both “contestants” are worthy, I must vote for John Mason Neale because of the work of the Sisters of St. Margaret in Haiti.

  108. March 1, 2016 - 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I voted for Frances Joseph-Gaudet, but then spent the morning making a list of all the John Mason Neale hymns in the two Episcopal Hymnals (1940 & 1982) that I have. I was surprised that there were a total of 84 (most translated by JMN, but some authored by and several listed as “after” JMN), 39 in the 1940 Hymnal and 45 in the 1982 Hymnal . . . though of course there are many duplicates and “same words, different tunes”. (It is also interesting to me that when the 1982 Hymnal “updated” the words of some of his hymns, there is often no indication that the words presented are not the original words.) In any case, I’m now off to the piano to play through my list. As often happens, my entire day has been knocked off course by LENT MADNESS!!! 🙂
    P.S. If anyone wants the list, just give a holler.

  109. Carolyn Ditch's Gravatar Carolyn Ditch
    March 1, 2016 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

    I knew before even reading Neale’s story that Joseph-Gaudet would and should move on, but his life was lived following Christ’s example, and his music so beautiful I HAD to vote for him.

  110. Diane's Gravatar Diane
    March 1, 2016 - 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Such a difficult decision. Having done volunteer work in prison I am drawn to Frances, but as a choir director, musician, reader, actor…. my vote goes to John.

  111. Yvonne's Gravatar Yvonne
    March 1, 2016 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

    It was hard to vote against Neale and those 84 hymns, many favorites of mine. But in this day and age of over incarceration and need for prison reform and education, Frances Joseph-Gaudet had to get my vote. I’m so happy to have learned about both of these, formerly unknown to me, Saints of the church.

  112. Leslie Steffensen's Gravatar Leslie Steffensen
    March 1, 2016 - 1:32 pm | Permalink

    I have 8 days until my 49th birthday. 8 days to get bold, offend a bishop with my “spiritual haberdashery,” cause some riots, and die of exhaustion…Neale has my vote!

    • Donna Devlin's Gravatar Donna Devlin
      March 1, 2016 - 4:20 pm | Permalink

      Hustle! ANd great good luck. Spiritual haberdashers unite!

    • Fr. Bill Loring's Gravatar Fr. Bill Loring
      March 1, 2016 - 11:53 pm | Permalink

      I haven’t managed to offend a bishop with my spiritual haberdashery for nearly 50 years — turned out he disapproved of my wearing my cassock after the service!

  113. Jean P's Gravatar Jean P
    March 1, 2016 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    This one was difficult. Then I looked up the hymns that Neale gave us and thought of the richness they have added to my worship for many years and had to vote for him, although I don’t think he will win.

  114. andrea's Gravatar andrea
    March 1, 2016 - 2:38 pm | Permalink

    As a former chorister and in honor of the Sisters of St. Margaret, I voted for John Mason Neale. I also liked the “spiritual haberdashery.”

  115. Catherina's Gravatar Catherina
    March 1, 2016 - 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Voted Neale. We need visionaries too, who believe in the beauty of life itself and he died to keep the beauty alive. Teach them to fish…

  116. March 1, 2016 - 2:46 pm | Permalink

    As a native of New Orleans I have some sense of the poverty, racial oppression, lack of decent education for the poor, and high rates of incarceration that have been unfortunate features of that part of our country for too long. Frances Joseph-Gaudet fought against these terrible odds and made a difference. She has my vote today.

  117. Bob Faser's Gravatar Bob Faser
    March 1, 2016 - 3:30 pm | Permalink

    It was line-ball again for me today. As a hymn-writer myself, I went for JM Neale, suspecting that I’d get another chance to vote for FJ Gaudet.

  118. Elaine Culver's Gravatar Elaine Culver
    March 1, 2016 - 3:33 pm | Permalink

    All honor to Frances Joseph-Gaudet for her devotion and hard work. Nevertheless, “He who sings prays twice,” I’ve heard, attributed to St. Augustine, so my vote today goes to John Mason Neale for his “spiritual haberdashery.”

  119. March 1, 2016 - 3:38 pm | Permalink

    You have two matched evenly although so different. I can see myself working with Frances; I admire her dedication. His life was in such turmoil, I could not have identified with John had I lived alongside him, but now I treasure all the gifts he left us. Tough choice but I am going with Frances.

  120. Margaret Kober's Gravatar Margaret Kober
    March 1, 2016 - 4:05 pm | Permalink

    I was really torn between Francis Joseph-Guadet and John Mason Neale. I am a choir member and being a Margaret, I am drawn to John Mason Neale, but FJ Gaudet’s faith in action got my vote in the end.

  121. Dan's Gravatar Dan
    March 1, 2016 - 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Tough choice. My parish is deeply involved in ministry to prisoners and is working for prison reform. And yet, we are beneficiaries of the liturgical reform brought by the Oxford Movement. In the end I voted for Neale – mostly because a small portion of my doctoral thesis is based on the liturgical renewal championed by the Oxford Movement. My vote is my thanks for their work.

  122. Betsy Marsh's Gravatar Betsy Marsh
    March 1, 2016 - 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for two worthy saints, previously unknown to me. They didn’t follow the straight and narrow path, so they inspire us all to go where we are called….

  123. Michi's Gravatar Michi
    March 1, 2016 - 4:17 pm | Permalink

    As a singer John Mason Neale is very important, but I had to go for Frances with her heart for the people. Sad that we’re still experiencing the problems of excessive incarceration among American minorities lo these many years later.

  124. March 1, 2016 - 4:22 pm | Permalink

    This is one Super Tuesday ‘election’ in which I will be happy whatever the outcome.

  125. james lodwick's Gravatar james lodwick
    March 1, 2016 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Despite Frances Joseph-Gaudet’s wonderful work, I had to vote for John Mason Neale, who so greatly transformed and enriched Anglican worship with his thousands of translations from both Greek and Latin hymnody and his own compositions, brought color and life to church architecture and decoration, helped strengthen monastic life, produced volumes of Biblical commentary and compilations of the Fathers, and wrote children’s books and was a parish priest besides, all in a short life troubled by poor health and “inhibition” by his dour bishop. And what would Holy Week and Easter be without his great hymn versions? “Come, ye faithful, raise the strain of triumphant gladness!” Neale is one of the people I would love to meet in Jerusalem the golden.

  126. March 1, 2016 - 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Your favourite word might be ‘penultimate’ – but mine is ‘anti penultimate’ instroduced to me when I sang in a choir comprising almost entirely of wordsmiths.

  127. JustMeJo's Gravatar JustMeJo
    March 1, 2016 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    As a long-time choir singer, and perhaps somewhat influenced by the fact that our Diocese is currently reading Presiding Bishop Curry’s Book Songs my Grandma Sang, Ihave finally voted for John Mason Neale, for not only his wonderful contributions to the music of our church, but also for his fortitude in standing by his beliefs and principles. Partly also in honor of my dear late friend, John Neal, who was a staunch Episcopalian, and a loving and caring mentor for me in matters secular as well as spiritual.

  128. sarah- 15 years old's Gravatar sarah- 15 years old
    March 1, 2016 - 4:53 pm | Permalink

    I got France’s vote. The reason why she won my vote is because she gave families who were not that fortunate, an opportunity. That’s why she got my vote.


  129. March 1, 2016 - 5:13 pm | Permalink

    I had to think about this one. The decision was tough but I voted for Neale. I knew he would probably lose because usually barrier breakers trump creativity and beauty. Joseph Gaudet is very worthy but my heart said Neale. Plus I think his collect was noteworthy.

  130. Cecile's Gravatar Cecile
    March 1, 2016 - 5:17 pm | Permalink

    In Louisiana, we pronounce her name Frances Goday (rhymes with Yoplait).

  131. Davis Dassori's Gravatar Davis Dassori
    March 1, 2016 - 5:28 pm | Permalink

    LENT MADNESS 160301

    Neale’s was a familiar name, but I couldn’t quite place it. Having looked through the 1982 Hymnal for hymns to texts by him, I now realize that I’ve seen it countless times at the bottom of this or that page. Here’s the list:

    Father, we praise thee, now the night is over
    O God, creation’s secret force
    O God of truth, O Lord of might
    O Trinity of blessed light
    Of the Father’s love begotten
    Good Christian friends, rejoice
    Alleluia, song of gladness
    When Christ’s appearing was made known
    O wondrous type! O vision fair
    All glory, laud, and honor
    Sing, my tongue, the glorious battle
    Thou hallowed chosen morn of praise
    Come, ye faithful, raise the strain
    The Lamb’s high banquet called to share
    O sons and daughters, let us sing (two versions, Easter Day and “Doubting Thomas”)
    The day of Resurrection! Earth, tell it out abroad
    Let us now our voices raise
    Blessed feasts of blessed martyrs
    The Word whom earth and sea and sky
    Gabriel’s message does away
    The great forerunner of the morn
    Draw nigh and take the body of the Lord
    Christ is made the sure foundation
    Blessed city, heavenly Salem
    Light’s abode, celestial Salem
    O what their joy and their glory must be
    Jerusalem the golden
    O very God of very God

    We each have our favorites; but that list holds ten of mine, to which I might add two others but for one infelicitous turn of phrase in each and a tune to match. (Oh, all right, they’re “unmoistened foot,” with its parade-ground march, and “glorious sheen” with its saccharine tune evoking the Church Asleep. Sorry if you love them.)

    Of those twenty-eight texts all but two are translations of Latin texts dating back as many as 1600 years. In his painstaking work of translating Neale made accessible not just the texts but the deep spiritualities, so different from each other and from ours, that inform them. Without them our Anglican tradition would be immeasurably poorer. For good measure one of the original texts, “Good Christian friends, rejoice,” not only gives us a rousing good sing but unites to our tradition a great carol tune that might otherwise, in the English-speaking world, have been relegated to the fringe constituencies of German scholars and aficionados of the macaronic.

    I mean no offense, and trust I give none, to Frances Joseph-Gaudet and her inspired and inspiring life, in voting for one who gave his all to recover and preserve a wealth of tradition and beauty to sustain us on our spiritual journeys. Not (almost) to mention the gift of the Sisterhood of St. Margaret, which to receive its due would demand as many lines of text as have been already expended here.

    • Davis Dassori's Gravatar Davis Dassori
      March 1, 2016 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

      Oops, sorry, forgot to delete the caption I used for the draft.

  132. J Penn's Gravatar J Penn
    March 1, 2016 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Frances Gaudet did amazing things, I wouldn’t want to diminish that. But as a musician I resonate with Neale. Can one imagine a Christmas without “O Come, O Come, Emanuel” or “Good Christian Men, Rejoice!”?

    • Davis Dassori's Gravatar Davis Dassori
      March 1, 2016 - 5:34 pm | Permalink

      Two minds with a single, simultaneous thought: I envy the brevity with which you’ve expressed it!

  133. DonnaK's Gravatar DonnaK
    March 1, 2016 - 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Frances Joseph-Gaudet reminds me of my grandmother. She gets my vote.

  134. Elizabeth's Gravatar Elizabeth
    March 1, 2016 - 5:32 pm | Permalink
    AS much as I was impressed by Joseph-Gaudet’s contributions, I was left wanting to know more about Neale. This little piece fills in a few blanks.

    • Slugger's Gravatar Slugger
      March 2, 2016 - 2:11 am | Permalink

      The more I learn about Neale, the more I feel I’ve been duped into voting for Joseph-Gaudet. Seems the fix is in. I’m free on Saturday. Maybe we could do this over?

  135. Nancy Shaw's Gravatar Nancy Shaw
    March 1, 2016 - 7:21 pm | Permalink

    I’m from New Orleans so gotta vote for Frances. Need N.O. to be known for someone besides Mardi Gras!

  136. Alec Clement's Gravatar Alec Clement
    March 1, 2016 - 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Tough choices…why not give them all golden haloes

  137. Barbara Gay's Gravatar Barbara Gay
    March 1, 2016 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

    This is so hard!! I never read comments ahead of time so didn’t know how many of the hymns that kept me in church over the decades are in the hymnal because of Neale’s efforts. But as a Virginian who has had to listen to far too much hateful rhetoric in recent days, I just had to vote for Frances. She was a model of the kind of action needed in our church, our political system and our society.

  138. March 1, 2016 - 9:52 pm | Permalink

    imagination and beauty as pathways to the holy…. These are both remarkable people, and I am always deeply impressed by those who give their lives and hearts to directly helping the downtrodden, But the gift to motivate… to light hearts so that others will do likewise, speaks to me deeply… imagination and beauty as pathways to the holy, John Mason Neale for me today

  139. Nancy R's Gravatar Nancy R
    March 1, 2016 - 11:15 pm | Permalink

    My sister-in-law has been very active in the Kairos women’s prison ministry, so I would be tempted to vote for Frances Joseph-Gaudet in her honor.
    Yet, as we approach Holy Week, and I anticipate the three sacred hours of Good Friday, and the moment when our (high church) congregation breaks the silence of contemplation and veneration of our Lord’s death upon the cross, with the a cappella plainsong hymn 166, I realize what a debt we owe to John Mason Neale.
    “Sing, my tongue, the glorious battle; of the mighty conflict sing; tell the triumph of the victim, to his cross thy tribute bring; Jesus Christ, the world’s Redeemer from that cross now reigns as King.” And ending with verse 6:
    “Praise and honor to the Father, praise and honor to the Son, praise and honor to the Spirit, ever three and ever one; one in might and one in glory while eternal ages run.”
    I thank Neale and the Oxford movement for enriching and nurturing my spiritual life and my faith with liturgical beauty and mystery. Now, more than ever, when our world is filled with hatred, strife and overwhelming tragedy, I need that moment of sanctuary and contemplation, recharging through all my senses, before I can go out and do my small part in the world again.

  140. March 1, 2016 - 11:18 pm | Permalink

    FJG was a revelation and an inspiration and I planned to vote for her…then I read the hymns of JMN and was swayed to vote for him. I do this expecting FJG to win this round so her great work may be honored in the future rounds. In Lent Madness, everyone is a winner!

  141. March 2, 2016 - 12:14 am | Permalink

    You’d think John would be the obvious choice of a Roman Catholic, especially since we too sing a number of those hymns. And the focus on beauty and imagination as pathways to the divine is very important to me.

    But I’m voting for Frances in honor of the many African-American women activists who are creatively leading and growing the “Black Lives Matter” and related movements, which I think is the most important social justice issue in the US for our generation. Frances, pray for them!

    I do have a question about John and the Sisters of St Margaret, though: how is it that a man came to found a women’s religious order? Are the first members of the community also honored as foundresses? Did he think about founding a men’s religious order also?

  142. Lorna's Gravatar Lorna
    March 2, 2016 - 2:12 am | Permalink

    For creativity, beauty, style & the translation of some of my favorite hymns…l am ever so grateful.
    I voted for Neal.

  143. Jim Oppenheimer's Gravatar Jim Oppenheimer
    March 2, 2016 - 2:37 am | Permalink

    Without those hymns much of our faith would be less lively, to put it mildly.
    But without those who keep our feet to the fire with respect to our utterly broken so-called penal system, we as a nation will surely lose our soul.
    a large portion of our nation’s wealth (by which I mean the people who stand to benefit the rest of us by their many works and accomplishments) is being squandered and ground down with despair within our foul prison system.

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