Congratulations on surviving another weekend without Lent Madness! If it's easier to make it through these dark days, just think of it as a Lenten devotion within a Lenten devotion. At least this past weekend you were able to get your Lent Madness fix by reading about it in the Washington Post, Toledo Blade, and St. Louis Post-Dispatch. And if you're among the large contingent of those who prefer to read about Lent Madness in Portuguese, it was featured in Gospel Prime (we think they said flattering things but we really have no idea).
The Supreme Executive Committee of Lent Madness also replied to a letter from a young girl who couldn't believe that St. Nicholas lost to Evelyn Underhill last week. Read the letter and response in "Yes, Virginia, there is a St. Nicholas."
After today's match-up featuring two female monastics, we only have two more battles left before the start of the Round of the Saintly Sixteen. Check out the updated bracket and the calendar of upcoming battles and then go vote!
Rosa de Lima (1586 – 1617) was born in Lima, Peru, the daughter of Gaspar Flores, of Puerto Rico, and Maria de Oliva, of Lima. Her Christian name was Isabel (Elizabeth) and she took her nickname "Rose" at the time of her confirmation.
As a young girl she copied Catherine of Siena in fasting and penances (though unlike Catherine, she didn't lose to Emma of Hawaii in Lent Madness last week). As she aged and some in her family's social circle started to comment on her growing beauty, Rose cut off her hair to the great consternation of her father. While her family did not approve of her strong devotion and determination not to marry, her father eventually gave her a room to herself in the family home.
While a young adult, Rose spent her days helping the sick and hungry, selling her fine needlework for others, and growing flowers to support her family. She spent her nights in prayer and, though her father forbade her from becoming a nun, Rose joined the third order of Saint Dominic when she was twenty years of age.
She suffered excruciating agony of mind and desolation of spirit but maintained a strong hope and faith in the midst of this. Rose died at the age of 31 and, in an extraordinary gesture, was eulogized by the archbishop at her funeral in the Cathedral. Rose of Lima was the first person born in the Americas to be named a saint by the Roman Catholic Church.
Collect for Rose of Lima: Merciful God, for love of you Rose of Lima took up the cross and embraced suffering; may we learn from her to regard material possessions lightly and to show the radiance of your love to all we meet; for the sake of Jesus Christ our Saviour who is alive with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, now and forever. Amen.
-- Bosco Peters
The life of Brigid of Kildare straddled the end of the fifth and beginning of the sixth centuries as well as Ireland’s historical moment when Druidism gave way to Christianity. Born of a slave mother to Dubhthach, the poet laureate of the king, Brigid grew up in a Druidic household, but was herself always drawn to the God revealed in Jesus Christ.
Brigid became a nun and, in 470, founded the nunnery at Kildare. In another straddling of the line between Druidism and Christianity, the site was the location of a cult to a pagan goddess whose sacred fire was constantly maintained. Brigid’s nuns took over the maintenance of this fire and Brigid slowly claimed the flame for God’s use alone. In a remarkable and unprecedented move, Brigid invited the monk Conlaed, along with his brothers, to join her at Kildare, making it the only double monastery of men and women in Ireland. Kildare became a place of learning, and it produced some of the most beautiful illuminations of the Bible ever created; sadly, these have all been lost. In her role as abbess, Brigid had as much power as many men in Ireland, and she wielded it with wisdom and compassion.
Many of the miracles attributed to Brigid happened in her response to the poor and sick. Following the Lord’s example, she cleansed lepers and restored sight to the blind. As her fame spread, she took on the mystique of a folk hero, making the fanciful and factual stories about her difficult to separate. But one thing is sure: Brigid’s contagious Christianity led many to move away from Druidism and toward Jesus Christ. While this process was slow, her influence brought a legitimacy to Christianity superseded only by Saint Patrick’s. In a final straddling of Druidism with Christianity, her feast day is February 1, which coincided with (and then supplanted) the Celtic festival of Spring, called Imbolg.
To this day, she is beloved through Ireland, and is numbered with Patrick and Columba as Ireland's primary saints. Her remains are buried with these two at Downpatrick. Brigid is affectionately known as “Mary of the Gael.”
Collect for Brigid of Kildare: Everliving God, we rejoice today in the fellowship of your blessed servant Brigid, and we give you thanks for her life of devoted service. Inspire us with life and light, and give us perseverance to serve you all our days; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who with you and the Holy Spirit lives and reigns, one God, world without end. Amen.
-- Adam Thomas
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83 comments on “Rose of Lima vs. Brigid of Kildare”
My grandad comes from Kildare - not the best reason - but what can I say!
A real ascetic for me, as opposed to one who may or may not be real at all.
SEC, not sure whether my ADD just kicked in or not, I may have voted twice, I was so enthralled by the previous Comments! If so, please cancel out the first vote! (Or the second, they WERE the same!) And, someone DO please provide a translation of the Gaelic! I THINK I probably agree!
Well friends, I have to say it is Brigid hands down for this celt of the diaspora. Also the fact that Brigid, like Martha (of Marth&Mary the orginal M&M fame) takes the road of incorporation versus repression. Depictions of Martha in the So. of France show her with her girdle wrapped around the dragons mouth whom she has subdued with love and always keeps within sight. As with Martha, Brigid took the clear eyed, conscious road that Paul recommends, finding the witness to God in the present place and going forward from there, and while Sts. George and Patrick drove the pike through the heart or drove the snakes out of Ireland to lay festering in the unconscious to rise again in many a sea of troubles, both Sts. Martha and Brigid took the conscious road of knowing and naming with public incorporation leading to wisdom and connection. No wonder she was able to found a double house!
Rosa lived a Godly life...but it seems Brigid had far wider influence.
My vote's for Brigid.
You know, it'd be nice to have some more choices who weren't in Holy Orders.
But that's kind of my complaint about the entire Kalendar. It sets up this false expectation that to live a truly holy life, you must either be ordained or a monastic.
Brigid also wanted to give God a lake of beer, so that the heavenly host would be better able to celebrate for all eternity.
You just wait, Jon...Had to hold some stuff back for Round 2 if she moves on. Oh yes, we will have the lake of beer.
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(didn't know about the lake of beer)
Gotta vote for sweet Rosa. Her picture is real pretty, and, if there's one thing our church has enough of, it's white people!
I was led to read more about St Rosa, being attracted to someone who "suffered excurtiating agony of mind and desolation of spirit" and yet was still able to have hope and faith. My experience has been that people in that condition, some who have been huge saints for me, no longer have access to the hope and faith of their healthy selves. The Catholic Church offers two sites, one of which states that it is suitable for viewing by children. Even so, you get a pop-up offering a book titled "Tortured for Christ". It sounds like St Rosa lived an extended suicide, leaving her unable to minister to others. I can't see how that is God's desire. I like underdogs, but I am reluctantly voting for Brigid as a healthier icon for us.
To me since saints are often humble and you may not know their influence until much later, while I consider that some it's more about how the person continued to to draw near to God and pursue the call they perceived and use the gifts and strengths they had... which is different for each. I went for Rose, who seems to be the underdog at the moment. Both did a lot, fascinating bios. But I feel Brigid is more well known thus "popular". Rose seems to have done a lot at a young age, against family discouragement and expectations by avoiding marriage (which she didnt feel called to) and going ahead and joining an order giving priority to her faith, in addition to her living it out by ministering to the sick and poor.
I agree with those who lament that these two are matched so early in the competition! Hard choice, but I've always felt an affinity for the Celtic way (and have no idea what it would be like to be so beautiful I'd have to hide it like Rosa - ha!), so I have to be part of Team Brigid. 🙂
This is the first bracket that I don't seem to have a lot of feeling about, for some reason. Poor Rose is being creamed at this point -- 83-17. So she needs my vote more than Brigid.
I share Beth Ann's views on poor Rosa.
Please, someone, provide translation of the Gaelic and Scots Gaelic comments thus far! It is excruciating to not be able to enjoy all of the conversation. (Are you imposing this on the rest of us a Lenten kind of thing?)
Feasgar math.
All I did earlier was to wish everyone a good morning. As we've moved on to afternoon, I changed the greating.
There are many reasons why I'm a Brigid fan, but the lake of beer story has to be one of the best!
we are studying saints during Lent and we just discussed Brigid yesterday! She was an amazing woman and so I just had to vote for her.
I love the phrase "contagious Christianity" and voted for Brigid.
From an early age, I've always felt a sympathy for saints like Rose (and Catherine) who went to extremes to experience God. Certainly not the calling that everyone receives but one that seems especially grace-full.
Re: health/unhealthy lifestyles
Hadn't Abbess Brigid also taken a vow of virginity?
And, if called to this state, how is it unhealthy?
This a tough one. I like Rose of Lima on her own merits and thinking she might be the underdog in this one for a number of reasons wanted to vote for her... But in the end the call of "The Great Mother" who shines so strongly and calls forth so persistently in Brigid won out.
I appreciate dr. primrose's standing in solidarity with Rose. She represents a form of ascetic suffering spirituality I - as a 20th/21st century North American - really struggle to understand. It is a valid stream - perhaps to do with solidarity with the suffering in the world? the understanding that this world is not all there is? but I can't get over my reaction of suffering as a bad thing, and I see the willing pursuit of same as the antithesis of Jesus' ministry of bringing healing and wholeness. Brigid's hospitality may be too "easy" a path, but it's the one I see Jesus' invitation in more clearly (despite the 'miracle' claims on her behalf, which always leave me cold).
Rose did a lot of good in alleviating suffering of others so if someone else wants to vote for her to honour that, or as a vote for something the total opposite of "prosperty gospel" (I'm not a fan of that either), God bless you and please do. I'm just wary of the mindset that misery is a hallmark of holiness so am going with Brigid today.
In honor of Mary Duffy, of County Mayo, my great-great grandmother, who came to the United States at age 18, and according to the immigration papers, "could not read." I guess you don't need to read to have great courage. Brigid gets my vote today.
I go for Brigid this time around. I am much less into the self-abuse model of asceticism than I am into the proactive ministrations of Brigid. Someone commented about the choices being ordained or monastic. Queen Emma was neither.
Rose of Lima es Boricua! Que cheveré! But her suffering! I did some further reading about her and it made me so sad. It's hard to accept in my mind that that type of self mutilation wasn't uncommon in the day as a road to Christ. It seems so abhorrent now, but then? Difficult to judge, but reading her story brought out the 'ay bendito' from me!
Brigid gets my vote, as a strong wise woman, able to combine the Druidic roots with the Christian flame, and stepping into her power as an Abbess, able to draw in the brothers to a double monastery. A very cool role model!
Rose is one of those saints, like the pillar standing monks of the desert, who's life made a lot of sense at the time and not so much in the current age. Brigid seems more like us - the monastery of both women and men - but I'm not sure that she really was like us.
Here's what the article said:
The Anglican Church, though not venerate the saints, gives a much larger space to the "heroes of faith" than most other evangelical churches. In your church calendar, Lent, or the 40 days preceding Easter, is respected.
To encourage devotional readings during Lent, the Rev. Tim Schenck on his blog created a contest where saints are made daily and can be "eliminated" in an online poll, similar to what happens in the "Big Brother".
This year the competition was http://www.lentmadness.org your own website where readers may learn more about the saints and elect "winners" until only one who will win the coveted prize of the "golden halo" on the Wednesday before Easter.
For three consecutive years, the competition called "Lent Madness" [Madness Lenten] was conducted online as a competition which had the support of many faithful.
"I was looking for a fun way to celebrate the Lenten season," said Schenck, rector of St. John's Episcopal Church in Hingham, Massachusetts. His goal, explains the pastor, is to help people "connect with the risen Christ during this time of year" and "have some fun during the process."
The competition created by him includes 32 men and women considered "holy" by the Episcopal Church. Schenck explains that the "holy bishops" are "heroes of the church ... They are not perfect, but they were faithful." Unlike the Catholic saints, were not formally canonized.
The Saints selected are a diverse group of men and women who are in the Bible or had an important role in church history. In each round, they are presented with minibiografias, emphasizing aspects of his life and works.
"When we think about the saints, we tend to immortalize them in paintings," said Schenck. "We forget they are human beings with beautiful stories of faith. That's what we remember in the Lenten Madness. "
The initiative has the support of other pastors like the Rev. Scott Gunn. He led the campaign that secured the victory of the priest and poet George Herbert, who lived in the 17th century. Three years later he is still participating and campaigning online for their favorite saints.
"One of the things that's wrong with Christianity today is that we take very seriously, but do not take Jesus seriously enough," said Gunn.
Pastor Gunn believes the game to eliminate the Saints increase their visibility by using modern means of communication such as Facebook and blog.
Until now, the main Madness Lenten had more than 150 000 visits, with an average of 2,000 constituents per day. In the first year were only about 100 voters.
"This year it just exploded," said Schenck.
"I am very impressed with what people are saying and writing," said the Rev. Penny Nash, dean of the Episcopal Church in Williamsburg, Virginia, who is also a blogger. "People are asking if the Saints have something to do with them today and are taking it really seriously."
Well stated
6:57 CDST
Exactly.
There are other issues involving Rosa of Lima that today we would call abuse.
Patron saint of my diaconal ordination, St Brigid it is for me.
We are still reeling from Santa not making it into the next round. But we think he us super busy with his elves getting all of the toys made so maybe it was a good thing. We like both choices today, but in the end we voted for the saintly woman from Ireland.
My vote is for Brigid of Kildare. Her life was focused on the poor and those who needed help with their life. Her monastery housed men and women; and was a remarkable place of learning. "The abbesses of Kildare had an administrative authority equal to that of a bishop until 1152." Her life's work reached far beyond that of her life.
Here we go again, "anorexia, hysteria, and an abnormal emphasis on virginity"! Must we judge people who lived hundreds of years ago by 2012 standards??? How do you think people will view us 200 years from now? I shudder to think....Wasn't Jesus tortured before being nailed to a cross? He showed us to embrace suffering, not to shrink from it. The saints have much to teach us, if we would only listen without judging by our narrow minded patronizing ....Go St. Rose of Lima!
Well, we are who we are, and we kind of have to go with the knowledge we have -- I don't believe self-induced anorexia is any more a sign of holiness than epilepsy is a sign of possession by evil spirits. . . but those ideas certainly had their heydays.
Rose of Lima took our household hands down today. Rachel read about her (and actually, we made a figure of her for a mobile we made for All Saints in Sunday School) this fall and as soon as she found out she was on the bracket-- it didn't matter who she was up against.