Peter vs. John the Evangelist

Welcome to the Saintly Sixteen! From 32 saints we have narrowed the field to 16. For this round, rather than the basic biographical information we enter the realm of Quirks and Quotes. Our Celebrity Bloggers will provide unusual information or legends surrounding their saints along with quotes either by or about their saints.

Don’t forget, you can always go to the Bracket Tab to easily find previous battles if you need to refresh your basic knowledge on these saints. This is yet another free courtesy extended to you, the Lent Madness Global Public.

In yesterday's Battle of the Bands, Catherine Winkworth made Isaac Watts sing the blues 56% to 44%. She'll go on to face Eglantyne Jebb in the Saintly Sixteen.

But that's all in the past. Today we kick things off with a battle between two Biblical heavyweights, Peter and John the Evangelist. At stake? The Elate Eight.

Peter

PeterYou may know the biblical accounts of St. Peter, but have you heard he was a renowned weeper? Tradition tells us he always wore a towel at his chest to wipe the tears from his face. He was prone to cry when he remembered the voice of Jesus, and he always prayed whenever he heard a cock crow -- a reminder of how he denied knowing Jesus -- and wept some more.

Many miracles were attributed to the penitent Peter. One day, his disciple George died while on a preaching mission. When St. Peter’s staff was laid on his corpse after forty days dead, George came back to life.

As a powerful witness for the Gospel, Peter found himself with an archnemesis, the sorcerer Simon, who aspired to be worshipped as a god through his feats of witchcraft. They first battled wits in Jerusalem, then Peter followed Simon, who ran off to Rome and befriended the nefarious Nero. Along with St. Paul, Peter found Simon in Nero’s court and exposed his sorcery as diabolical. Simon ordered his angels to attack Peter, and Peter replied, “I fear not thine angels, rather do they fear me.” Nero was shocked that Peter did not fear the sorcerer and agreed to provide him with a loaf of bread in secret. The sorcerer demanded Peter show he could read his mind, and Peter said he would do so by thwarting Simon’s schemes. Simon summoned snarling dogs to attack Peter, and Peter fed them the bread he’d secreted from Nero, thus demonstrating he’d known Simon’s plan all along.

Finally, angels of Satan held the sorcerer aloft, and Peter commanded them in the name of Jesus to drop the evil man. Simon was killed. For the loss of his magician, Nero arrested Peter and Paul. In prison, they converted their guards, who then set them free. As they fled the city, Jesus appeared to them and said, “I go to Rome, to be crucified anew!” So they followed him back to Rome. Famously, Peter asked to be crucified upside down. “Lord, I have desired to follow Thee, but I did not wish to be crucified upright. Thou alone art upright and high.”

Paul was also martyred that day, and later the disciple Dionysius saw the two great apostles holding hands and re-entering the city gate, “dressed in shining garments, crowned with light and glory.” Surely it was the holy city they entered, the new Jerusalem, where Christ would wipe every tear from Peter’s eyes, where there is no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away and Christ has made all things new.

(Source: The Golden Legend, a medieval hagiography)

-Amber Belldene

 

John the Evangelist

What more can be said about Blessed John than to you I have hath said? Apparently, a lot. In round one, we uncovered the startling truth that the man we know as John the Evangelist is probably a mash-up of at least a few New Testament Johns (something like a Gospel version of the Megazord from Power Rangers – it’s morphing time!) To know more about John, we need to immerse ourselves in his parts.

John the Apostle, along with his brother James, was called by our Lord to leave their nets to follow him. While the call to follow Christ must have been compelling, one must sympathize with Zebedee when, in the middle of hauling in the fish, his two sons simply walk away. He is included, along with Peter and James, as the inner circle of Jesus’ inner circle, witnessing both the Transfiguration and our Lord’s anguish in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Curiously enough, the Gospel that bears his name – the Gospel According to Saint John – does not include the story of the Transfiguration. What it does include from the very beginning is a Christ who seems to enter the world already Transfigured. “In him was life,” records the Evangelist, “and the life was the light of all people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.” From this narrative, it is possible to draw a lesson that the Gospel of John goes to great lengths to explore – that Jesus is the light from the very beginning, it just takes us a very long time to figure that out.

After Jesus’ Resurrection and Ascension, John asserts a great deal of leadership in the early church. For example, when the mission to Samaria resulted in converts to the faith, John goes with Peter to Samaria to lay hands on the neophytes so that “they might receive the Holy Spirit.”

After this, John fades from history into the realm of legend. If John the Apostle is John the Divine/Revelator, then it is widely held that he died in exile on Patmos. This is complicated because Polycrates and Iraneus, both 2nd century bishops, claim that John was martyred in Ephesus. To add to the complexity, third-century-Ephesus couldn’t even decide where in Ephesus the Evangelist was buried with two sites vying for shrine status. Another legend suggest the Apostle avoided martyrdom by miraculously emerging from a cauldron of boiling oil unscathed. And in later versions of the apocryphal Acts of John, the Apostle doesn’t die at all, but ascends to Heaven like Enoch and Elijah. A fitting and fanciful (albeit heretical) end for our Apostle/Evangelist/Seer/Divine.

-Marcus Halley

Peter vs. John the Evangelist

  • Peter (66%, 4,734 Votes)
  • John the Evangelist (34%, 2,479 Votes)

Total Voters: 7,213

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Peter: [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons
John: By Juan de Juanes - Web Gallery of Art: Public Domain

 

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168 comments on “Peter vs. John the Evangelist”

    1. You are right John's words are poetry, but as this is a saintly based contest I must go with Peter. Yes he is more human, fear and mistakes did mark his early days but once fully understanding God he, in his humanity, stood stronger and yet kept his humility by asking to be hung upside down when he even tho he was free he followed Jesus back to be killed. That makes him a greater person than most no matter how much they think they believe.

  1. “In him was life and the life was the light of all people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.” I like "light" quotes--it is a Valparaiso University thing for the University's motto is "In Your Light We See Light" Psalm 36:9--and in this world, in this time and in this place we need as much light as we can get.

  2. Peter's quirks and quotes made me laugh today. To think that a 1st century disciple would have a disciple of his own with a very English name: George. So I voted for Peter because of these fanciful stories that made me LOL.

    1. Me too! And Peter's bumbling always gives me some hope for my sorry attempts to follow Jesus.

  3. It's not the bios this round but the earlier ones and what we see in the Gospels as the truly human, very flawed Peter, that draws me to him. Just as I was about to vote, I had a flashback to my much younger days and my experience of watching the movie, The Robe. That was powerful. Peter it is. Not to negate the beauty of "In the beginning was the Word..."

  4. John. A guy who can rise from boiling oil unscathed seems like better company than a notorious weeper.

  5. This is too hard this early. It would help if we had one clear version of John to support, because Peter always comes across as so fully human. I'm going to wait for a few more comments to decide.

    1. I think that John will win. Peter will lose and you better vote for John.

  6. We are at another impossible decision; there was only the random number option in Excel to get a decision; peter drew the odd number and it was good so we went there. Next time we have a decision chrisis, I am going with multivariate statistics, and analysis of similarity; alway good to help with complex challenges.

  7. My vote for John has long been sealed by Loreena McKennitt's haunting "Dark Night of the Soul".

  8. I have a son Peter. How could I not vote for him. Always ready with an answer or jumping up to take charge. I love his character.

  9. Not exactly a fair fight: Peter is one very human being while John is a mash-up of three or four. I choose Peter.

  10. Sure, anyone who's been through seminary knows that John the Evangelist is likely a combination of amazingly, faithful, wonderful people, all of whom God used in mighty ways. Still, if God saw fit to bring all of them down through the centuries, so that we might see King Jesus a little better, John gets my vote today. Now, back to Sunday's sermon, that includes, of course, John 3:16.

  11. This was very tough. I'm going with Peter the flawed human being who paid for his human betrayal of Jesus many times over in his subsequent ministry, that and the fact that he could out-sorcerer the sorcerer. I love the poetry in John the Revelator's Gospel, even if I don't understand it all, but the other Johns, while admirable, don't measure up to the Rock.

  12. Who dares to call 'John' a mashup? Even if there is more than one John writing, these passages are my favorites (and that's not just because I have visited the Greek Island of Patmos.)

  13. A new reason to vote for Peter: like me, the lines from Rock of Ages apply -- Should my tears forever flow ... these for sin could not atone.

  14. My 'little" brother is named Peter, how can I not vote for Peter? My bro is a good, caring Christian man who spends his time helping wells in Uganda always doing God's work.

  15. I wonder if adding "the Evangelist" is shading John's reception by voters. I find his Gospel to be the most compelling of the four and making his case stronger than all of Peter's tears.

    1. Don't take this too far, but I suppose one could describe John as the "Isaac Watts," the nonconformist of the evangelists. I'd always considered him shunned as 'Johnny come lately.' "Hey, 3's company, 4's a crowd. Go find your own material, we ain't sharing."
      But maybe John was simply bold enough to be different.

  16. Impressed with the little known facts of St. Peter...how he wept. Had to vote for Peter today.

  17. I love John’s poetic turns of phrase and imagery, and I admire the CB’s research into all the possibilities for unearthing his identity in the biblical narrative. But it’s just that confusion that tipped me toward Peter today: we KNOW some real things about Peter (not that legend about his death in Rome being simultaneous with Paul’s and holding hands at the Pearly Gates...really?!), and because we share in most of those real things (tears, blurtings, misunderstandings, betrayals), I have to stick with him. Rock on, Peter!